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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John Idle 1883 Application to Field Force
« on: Tuesday 12 March 19 12:14 GMT (UK) »
Forgot to say John Idle was born in 1861.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John Idle 1883 Application to Field Force
« on: Tuesday 12 March 19 12:02 GMT (UK) »
Hello Whiteout7,
That's interesting. All we know is that John Idle from England went to NZ and after a various terms of prison we can find no further trace of him. It could be that the John Brougham who is also a carpenter that you have found, is our man. If we could ascertain his age at death that might clinch it.
That's interesting. All we know is that John Idle from England went to NZ and after a various terms of prison we can find no further trace of him. It could be that the John Brougham who is also a carpenter that you have found, is our man. If we could ascertain his age at death that might clinch it.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John Idle 1883 Application to Field Force
« on: Tuesday 12 March 19 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Spades,
Very many thanks for your help and efforts.
Is there anything you'd like looked up at Kew Archives?
Very many thanks for your help and efforts.
Is there anything you'd like looked up at Kew Archives?
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John Idle 1883 Application to Field Force
« on: Thursday 07 March 19 07:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Minihaha,
Well spotted, thats John. I did get a birth his birth certificate but it didn't actually tell me anything surprising.
Well spotted, thats John. I did get a birth his birth certificate but it didn't actually tell me anything surprising.
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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Seaman Apprenticeships
« on: Wednesday 06 March 19 14:57 GMT (UK) »
COMPLETED LOOKUP.
Found both Jacksons in 1824 Apprenticeship Records.
Found both Jacksons in 1824 Apprenticeship Records.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John Idle 1883 Application to Field Force
« on: Wednesday 06 March 19 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Yes! Another offence and this was just 2 months after he made the Field Force Application.
17 Aug 1883.Attempting to rescue a prisoner. Fined 10s, recoverable in default.Residents Mag.Court.
17 Aug 1883.Attempting to rescue a prisoner. Fined 10s, recoverable in default.Residents Mag.Court.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John Idle 1883 Application to Field Force
« on: Wednesday 06 March 19 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Found another conviction for similar 29 May 1882 Assisting in the assault of a Detective Constable. Pleaded he had too much liquor. Fined 40s. Residents Mag.Court. This like the previous offence was before he applied to the field force.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John Idle 1883 Application to Field Force
« on: Wednesday 06 March 19 14:28 GMT (UK) »
One more conviction i found in the newspapers.
13 Dec 1880 Assaulting a Constable in the execution of his duties. Idle admitted he was drunk at the time. Fined 5s or 24 hrs imprisonment.
This wasnt long after he landed off the "Wairoa" 24 Nov 1880!
13 Dec 1880 Assaulting a Constable in the execution of his duties. Idle admitted he was drunk at the time. Fined 5s or 24 hrs imprisonment.
This wasnt long after he landed off the "Wairoa" 24 Nov 1880!
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John Idle 1883 Application to Field Force
« on: Wednesday 06 March 19 12:14 GMT (UK) »
Here is a summary of his convictions. The newspaper accounts give more colour to the cases where featured.
Application made in New Zealand for Police Field Force.11 Jun 1883.
New Zealand Police Gazette.
1893 Feb 21. Larceny 12months. Tried under name of Idle alias Grey at Napier. Discharged from Wellington Gaol (1 previous conv.)
1894 Jan 3. Larcency 1 mth.Tried under name of Idle alias Grey at Wellington and gaoled there.
1894 Mar. 5. Larceny 7 Days, Resisting Police 7 Days, Obscene language 14 Days, Damaging uniform 7 Days, wilful damage 7 Days.Tried under name of John Grey alias Idle, at Palmerston N. Discharged from Wanganui Gaol during fortnight ending 21.4.94.
1894 May 7 Larceny 6 mths. Tried under name of Idle alias Grey. Wellington.
1894 Oct 29 Drunkenness 24hrs. Assault 7 days. Tried at Wellington under name of Idle alias Grey.
1894 Nov. 8. Stowaway Fine or 14 Days. Tried under name of Casey alias Grey alias Idle at Lyttelton.
1895 Jan 9 Theft 6mths, Assault 7 days, assault 3mths. Tried under name of Idle alias Grey at Wellington.
1895 Oct 18 Theft 3 mths.Wellington. Discharged 1896.
1895 Nov 18 Receiving 12 mths
1895 Dec 3. Theft 12 mths. Tried at Wellington under name of Idle.
1896 Sept 26. Vagrancy 3 mths, Resisting police 3 mths. Tried under name of Idle alias Grey at Wellington and gaoled there.
1897 Mar 9. Acquitted of breaking and entering at Wellington.
1897 Apr.15 Theft 1 month, vagrancy 6mths. Tried under name Idle alias Grey at Wellington. Discharged from Wellington Gaol.
1897 Dec 21. Drunkenness fine or 24 hrs. Wilful damage fine or 7 Days. Tried under name of Casey alias Idle alias Gray.at Timaru and gaoled there.
1897 Dec 28 Trespassing on premises 3 mths.Tried at Timaru under name of Casey alias Idle alias Grey.
1898 Feb 8 /10. Tried at Timaru Sup.Court under name of Casey alias Idle alias Gray 10 Feb convicted of theft from a dwelling and sentanced to 3 years labour. A Reward offered for information leading to the arrest of John Casey, alias Idle, alias Grey.
1900 Aug14. Obscene language 1 mth & violent behaviour 1 mth. Tried at Oamaru under name of Casey alias Idle alias Gray. Gaoled in Dunedin.
1901 Jul 30. Two charges of Theft 3 mths on each. Tried under name of Idle alias Casey alias Gray at Dunedin.
1902 Apr 7 Drunkenness fine or 24 hrs. Tried at Dunedin under name of Idle alias Casey alias Gray.
1902 Jun 2 Vagrancy 3 mths. Tried under name of Ide alias Casey alias Grey.
1902 Sept 21 Ernest Oppenheim grocer reports his shop was broken into & the safe was burst open by dynamite but nothing was stolen. Suspicion attached to John Idle and John Howard.
1902 Oct 30 Breaking & entering and Theft. 5 years. Tried under name of Idle alias Casey alias Gray.
1906 Jul 28. Discharged from gaol during the week ending.
1911 Mar 6 Drunk and disorderly fine or 7 days.Tried at Wellington under name of Brougham alias Idle alias Casey alias Grey. Discharged during week ending 11 March
PHOTOGRAPHED at Wanganui 19 Apr 1892
PHOTOGRAPHED at Dunedin 22 Oct 1901
1893. Scar on right plam & left thumb. Dimpled chin.
1895. Long ears.Scar on nose & over right eye. 3 upper teeth missing.
Application made in New Zealand for Police Field Force.11 Jun 1883.
New Zealand Police Gazette.
1893 Feb 21. Larceny 12months. Tried under name of Idle alias Grey at Napier. Discharged from Wellington Gaol (1 previous conv.)
1894 Jan 3. Larcency 1 mth.Tried under name of Idle alias Grey at Wellington and gaoled there.
1894 Mar. 5. Larceny 7 Days, Resisting Police 7 Days, Obscene language 14 Days, Damaging uniform 7 Days, wilful damage 7 Days.Tried under name of John Grey alias Idle, at Palmerston N. Discharged from Wanganui Gaol during fortnight ending 21.4.94.
1894 May 7 Larceny 6 mths. Tried under name of Idle alias Grey. Wellington.
1894 Oct 29 Drunkenness 24hrs. Assault 7 days. Tried at Wellington under name of Idle alias Grey.
1894 Nov. 8. Stowaway Fine or 14 Days. Tried under name of Casey alias Grey alias Idle at Lyttelton.
1895 Jan 9 Theft 6mths, Assault 7 days, assault 3mths. Tried under name of Idle alias Grey at Wellington.
1895 Oct 18 Theft 3 mths.Wellington. Discharged 1896.
1895 Nov 18 Receiving 12 mths
1895 Dec 3. Theft 12 mths. Tried at Wellington under name of Idle.
1896 Sept 26. Vagrancy 3 mths, Resisting police 3 mths. Tried under name of Idle alias Grey at Wellington and gaoled there.
1897 Mar 9. Acquitted of breaking and entering at Wellington.
1897 Apr.15 Theft 1 month, vagrancy 6mths. Tried under name Idle alias Grey at Wellington. Discharged from Wellington Gaol.
1897 Dec 21. Drunkenness fine or 24 hrs. Wilful damage fine or 7 Days. Tried under name of Casey alias Idle alias Gray.at Timaru and gaoled there.
1897 Dec 28 Trespassing on premises 3 mths.Tried at Timaru under name of Casey alias Idle alias Grey.
1898 Feb 8 /10. Tried at Timaru Sup.Court under name of Casey alias Idle alias Gray 10 Feb convicted of theft from a dwelling and sentanced to 3 years labour. A Reward offered for information leading to the arrest of John Casey, alias Idle, alias Grey.
1900 Aug14. Obscene language 1 mth & violent behaviour 1 mth. Tried at Oamaru under name of Casey alias Idle alias Gray. Gaoled in Dunedin.
1901 Jul 30. Two charges of Theft 3 mths on each. Tried under name of Idle alias Casey alias Gray at Dunedin.
1902 Apr 7 Drunkenness fine or 24 hrs. Tried at Dunedin under name of Idle alias Casey alias Gray.
1902 Jun 2 Vagrancy 3 mths. Tried under name of Ide alias Casey alias Grey.
1902 Sept 21 Ernest Oppenheim grocer reports his shop was broken into & the safe was burst open by dynamite but nothing was stolen. Suspicion attached to John Idle and John Howard.
1902 Oct 30 Breaking & entering and Theft. 5 years. Tried under name of Idle alias Casey alias Gray.
1906 Jul 28. Discharged from gaol during the week ending.
1911 Mar 6 Drunk and disorderly fine or 7 days.Tried at Wellington under name of Brougham alias Idle alias Casey alias Grey. Discharged during week ending 11 March
PHOTOGRAPHED at Wanganui 19 Apr 1892
PHOTOGRAPHED at Dunedin 22 Oct 1901
1893. Scar on right plam & left thumb. Dimpled chin.
1895. Long ears.Scar on nose & over right eye. 3 upper teeth missing.