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I'll note that ThruLines still shows my full brother, whose DNA is attached to the same tree as mine, as my 3rd cousin.

It correctly shows me as a descendant of our great-grandfather (Mr. X). Then it creates a duplicate  Mr. X as his brother, and shows my brother as the descendant of our Mr. X's brother.

He's my "3rd cousin," with 2680 shared cMs.

I had a similar problem with my mother and my sister on both the old style view and the new. It deleted the tile for the mother and Thrulines showed her as my father. Depending on which ancestor's Thrulines I was looking at my mother showed up as my aunt, as a half sister to herself and other such rubbish.

To fix this I unlinked both myself, parents and sister from my tree and from each other and then I relinked us and it fixed the problem.

As far as I can see you can only evaluate if you start at or one below the top of your matches line. Then it works as you describe. If however you start further down the matches line you are faced with a different screen (attached). This adds the "missing" people and therefore forces you to evaluate from top down. Previously, from memory, you could evaluate anyone in the line.

If you click on the blue "Review" on Catherine Cameron rather than "Continue" to the next step, it will take you to the evaluation screen like the one I posted.

Must be a gradual rollout.

There are 179 Registered Births of an Elizabeth Jones in Liverpool, in the period 1850 to 1850 & this becomes 89 Registered Births for the years 1841 to 1845.

Quite a task in itself to ID her and to follow her likely trails.

BTW, I have found your Tree on Ancestry and have had a look at Elizabeth’s profile.

I went back to searching and specifically for an Elizabeth Jones b1843 +/- 2 in the 1851 Census where there are 46 records.

If we then omit those where there are a parent listed the numbers reduce significantly.

OK, perhaps I should explain the rationale that is going through my old grey matter.

A Motherless baby is likely to be (1) in the workhouse (2) being raised by family.

Unless Elizabeth is in one of the 1851 census records with her Mother so I would go through each of the 46 to see what it shows for an Elizabeth making a note of entries of interest (me being me, I would take a screenshot).

Going through the 1851 census we are also looking for entries where there is an Elizabeth Jones with other people who do not have the Jones surname, and Elizabeth is likely to be listed as a Visitor or Niece or Grandchild.

A possibility is then to build a series of trees around the likely families and then look to see if any DNA matches link to any of these families. 

This in turn could help ID Elizabeth’s actual maternal family.

Hope this helps.

HI , 

i agree with Biggles if that is the scenario.
 But i have seen the marriage document for Elizabeth to Barton and it gives their ages as both being 21.. not full age ...a definite number  . Taking that as possibly correct or nearly so  -Elizabeth was born C 1845/6.  Also on that Cert her father is named as William Jones.

Unless both parents were Jones to start with  Elizabeth's mother would have a different last name. 

Have you checked any of this out previously?.   Also do you know if Elizabeth's mother died in childbirth?

Essnell

Hi Biggles and Essnell

Biggles, I followed your excellent suggestion regarding the 1851 Census and there are not many Elizabeth Jones in that scenario, unfortunately I haven’t turned up anything useful, but some families are hard to follow. There is one Elizabeth Jones in the Bluecoat School and so I can’t get anywhere with that one.

Essnell, I did end up ordering some certificates on Saturday, 14 to be precise. I ordered all Elizabeth Jones born between 1841-1845 in both Liverpool and West Derby with a mother’s maiden name of Jones thinking they would all be unmarried mothers, but I forgot illegitimate entries would have a blank for mother’s maiden name. There were twelve with a mother’s maiden name Jones. Two entries had a blank for mother’s maiden name. One of those had a mmn of Preston, the other was Robinson – why they were blank I don’t know. Don’t think I will order any more certificates in a hurry.

I know Elizabeth’s age was 21 on her marriage certificate but on all Census entries with Richard Barton she is two years older than him. The one Census where Richard is not present she is much younger and so her age is not reliable.

No, I don’t know if Elizabeth’s mother died in childbirth.

Details of the two certificates you suggested:

July 1841 (day cropped off) 11:00am Gilbert Street. Elizabeth daughter of Edward Jones, Labourer and Mary Jones formerly Jones.


11 June 1842 at 37 Rathbone Street. Elizabeth daughter of Samuel Jones, Home Missionary and Mary Jones formerly Jones.

I’m starting to wonder if Elizabeth’s birth was registered at all. According to the article below about 7% of births were not registered at all in the early years of registration. Also, what if she was a foundling and just given the name Elizabeth Jones?

I’m about 90% sure that William Brumfitt is Elizabeth’s father.

https://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/early-civil-registration/

An extract from the above:

And people were prosecuted. There was one prosecution at Sheffield, and it was in all the newspapers. And actually handbills were made detailing this to distribute to waverers throughout the country. So registration was compulsory. It’s just that the phrasing of it was slightly different. And in fact the General Register Office’s own statistics bear out the fact that in that first period, 1837 up to 1874, the overall proportion of births not registered was about seven per cent. And that’s seven per cent over the whole period.

Thanks Biggles for looking into my messy ancestors it is very much appreciated.

I don’t have any other supporting evidence other than DNA.

I was in contact with a Barton descendant of one Alice Barton’s siblings but he’s not talking to me any more. When I first got my results I could see all of this but incorrectly thought that William Brumfitt was Richard Barton’s father, not Elizabeth Jones. At the time, I hadn’t worked out that we all have DNA matches upstream of Richard Barton. I did mention my theory to this match and he was not impressed at all and said that he didn’t trust DNA and it was all wrong.

Fast forward six or seven years and I think I was right just had the wrong parent.

The only thing I can say is that Edward Brumfitt, Hannah Tunstall, Richard Barton and Elizabeth Jones and their three children I descend from – Ernest Edward Brumfitt, Alice Barton and Thomas Edward Brumfitt were all born in Liverpool and the younger generation all moved to Hoylake, Wirral in the 1880s and 1890s.

Of course, if my theory does prove to be correct then not only are my parents second cousins, but my great grandparents Ernest Edward Brumfitt and his wife Alice Barton would be half first cousins. Scary thought!