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Ireland / Re: SS Bendigo
« on: Sunday 21 September 25 08:43 BST (UK)  »
According to this the ship left London on 8th November 1928
She is noted on the 12th page of the passenger list.



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World War Two / Re: Fresno City Sunk 1940
« on: Thursday 11 September 25 13:28 BST (UK)  »
Yes, the file link given should help you determine that.

Regards
Hugh

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World War Two / Re: Fresno City Sunk 1940
« on: Thursday 11 September 25 13:20 BST (UK)  »
The actual ships Official Logbook including the Crew Agreement will have been lost in the sinking. However, in those circumstances the owners of the vessel were required to send a copy of the crew list to the RGSS. Casualties and Deaths Lists (C&D), would be used for the registration of the deaths of the crew.

You need to obtain the last crew agreement for FRESNO CITY official number, 161613 for 1940 held at TNA Kew in piece BT 381/1043 - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11043533.

Regards
Hugh

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Armed Forces / Re: Finding details of Royal Navy vessel
« on: Monday 25 August 25 18:14 BST (UK)  »
Nothing to do with Lloyd's List.
It refers to the specific pay ledger and the individual's number within that ledger on a particular ship's account.

If you need information on a particular ship or submarine, search it online or post the name here.

Regards
Hugh

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Down / Re: Seaman record book
« on: Tuesday 19 August 25 12:52 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, I see the issue, I think.
In your screenshot, it states:
“Discharge A numbers R561990 R562162. R562064 LINDSAY A 20/06/1920 DONAGHADE.”

This is the range of numbers in this file at Kew,  BT 372/1499 i.e. every number between R 561990 and R 562162. It means that R 562064 is contained within that range of files. It is the 65th file in BT 372/1499. So we would find the record for A. Lindsay in BT 372/1499/65.

Does that help?

Hugh
 

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Down / Re: Seaman record book
« on: Tuesday 19 August 25 11:47 BST (UK)  »
No worries, let me try and explain.
So you give two book numbers that you thought belonged to Andrew Lindsay from Donaghadee.

You gave R 561990 and R 562162. Those 'R' numbers by way of explanation are seamen's discharge book numbers, akin to a service number, and usually the number would stay with the seaman for his full career at sea. There were certainly instances of lost numbers and new numbers being issued for the same seaman but in general it was one and the same number for every book that he had. So if he left and later went back, in most cases, he retained his original number.

R 561990 belongs to this seaman named Ellison:  BT 372/1499/1 - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8368893

R 562162 belongs to this seaman named Oates: BT 372/1499/142 - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8369034

I do not know what you mean when you say "why are they listed with his book if nothing to do with him"? Could you tell me please why you think they are linked? That is the source of the confusion.

Mr Lindsay's Discharge Book Number would appear to be R 562064, BT 372/1499/65 - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8368957

I hope that is clearer, if not, please get back, happy to help.

Regards
Hugh

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Down / Re: Seaman record book
« on: Tuesday 19 August 25 08:58 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
Sorry, but the question you asked was if anyone knew which year those two books started from,  R 561990 and R 562152 and then you said they belonged to Andrew Lindsay. Those two books do not belong to him as he had R 562064.

It would have been easier to have just posted that Andrew Lindsay had discharge number R 562064 and when was it issued?

My answer still stands - it depends on how busy the Belfast MMO was at that time. My guess is between 1949 and 1952. You wont find out how quickly that range of books moved unless you obtain each one of those pouches. If you are just interested in Andrew Lindsay, then obtain the file - it is his seaman's pouch.

Regards
Hugh

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Down / Re: Seaman record book
« on: Monday 18 August 25 12:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
None of those two numbers belonged to him. I presume you think his number is held in that range of numbers?
Seamen's discharge book numbers were allocated in blocks to Mercantile Marine Offices (MMO) and the take up of books would relate to the size of the MMO. Some ranges would move quickly in a large MMO while other ranges may move slower in smaller offices. So it is difficult to pin down dates without checking further records.

I would say around very late 1940's to early 1950's as a guess.

I presume this is the man you are looking for BT 372/1499/65 - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8368957 - this file would probably tell you when he first went to sea.

Regards
Hugh

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World War Two / Re: R N Distinguished Service Medal
« on: Friday 15 August 25 17:11 BST (UK)  »
Do the family know what year the minesweeper was sunk?

They may have to obtain his service records to find out more.
A/Leading Seaman, John Edward Brassington, LT/JX 173076, was awarded the D.S.M in the 1941 New Year's Honours List. This gives listings of names but not the ship he served in, they are very much generic with little in the way of information.

I can tell you he was serving in the Royal Naval Patrol Service (R.N.P.S.). The ship he was serving on when the award was gazetted was the m/s trawler HMT NEIL SMITH which was part of Minesweeping Group 49 at Portland. This ship is not necessarily the one he was serving on when the action happened.

HMS NEIL SMITH was not lost so if the story is true then we are looking for another ship.

Regards
Hugh




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