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Hi Grayuast,

   I have a reasonably large data base & it does take some time looking at the different family tree views depending upon which person you start from. You may appreciate with all this inter family marrying it can be quite an eye full to observe & absorb.

   I later realised the following after sending yesterdays post, the following information which may be of interest to you in our Gray family jigsaw & movements.

Charles & Aquila (nee Smith) Grays son John Gray relocated to Brandon, Suffolk.  Another son of Charles & Aquila, Riley Gray had a son named Founness Gray & some of his children also relocate to Suffolk. This all the information of have for  John & Margaret at this stage.


John Gray, b. 1798 in Cambridgeshire, England, christened 19 Apr 1798 in Isleham, Cambridge, England.  He married Margaret Richardson, married 1821 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, b. C. 1801 in Bramber, Suffolk, England.

I.   Mary Ann Gray, b. 1822 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, christened 12 May 1822 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.

II.   Patrick Gray, b. 17 Aug 1823 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, christened 14 Sep 1823 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.

III.   Susan Gray, b. 13 Mar 1826 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, christened 21 May 1826 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.

IV.   John Gray, b. 1827.

V.   Selena Gray, b. 1831 in Brandon, Suffolk, England, christened 1 May 1831 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.

VI.   David Gray, b. 1834.

VII.   Moses Gray, b. 1836.

VIII.   Frances (Fanny) Gray, b. 1838 in Brandon, Suffolk, England.



This is a brief family outline for Riley & Margaret Grays family

Riley Gray, b. 1789 in Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, England.  He married (1) Lydia Sly, married 10 May 1809 in Isleham, Cambridge, England, b. 1790 in Barrington, Cambridgshire, England, (daughter of James Sly and Sophia Gray) christened 14 Mar 1790 in Barrington, Cambridgshire, England.  He married (2) Sarah, b. C. 1787 in Basington, Hertfordshire, England.

I.   Founness Gray, (son of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1807 in Isleham, Cambridge, England, christened 6 Jan 1811 in Isleham, Cambridge, England.  He married Constania Smith, married C. 1830, b. 1807.

   A.   Founess Gray, b. 1833 in Suffolk,England, christened 19 May 1833 in Cowlinge, Suffolk, England.

   B.   William Gray, b. 1835.

   C.   Lazarus Gray, b. 1838.

   D.   Miranda Gray, b. 1839.  She married Abraham Smith, married 27 Jun 1862 in Saint John The Evangelist, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk, England, b. C. 1835.

   E.   Bathsheba Gray, b. 1843 in Suffolk,England, christened 5 Nov 1843 in Woolpit, Suffolk, England.

   F.   Christopher Gray.

   G.   Meshack Gray.

   H.   Shadrack Gray, b. 1850 in Suffolk,England, christened 11 Feb 1850 in Saint John The Evangelist, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk, England.

   I.   Abednego Gary.

   J.   Laurence Gray, b. 1852 in Suffolk,England, christened 2 Mar 1852 in Saint John The Evangelist, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk, England.

   K.   Abraham Gray.

II.   Riley Gray, (son of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1812 in Isleham, Cambridge, England, d. 13 Nov 1814.

III.   Edward Gray, (son of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1812, d. 1813.

IV.   Sophia Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1815 in Cambridgeshire, England, christened 12 Nov 1815 in Stow Cum Quay, Cambridge, England, d. Mar 1818.

V.   Mahala Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly).

VI.   Riley Gray, (son of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly). He married Harriet Steadman, married 1 Oct 1844 in Offham, Kent, England.

VII.   Lydia Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1822 in Cambridge, England, christened 1822 in Shefferidge near Royston, Hertfordshire, England.  She married John Brand, married 1842 in Ely, Cambridge, England, b. 1809 in Isle Of Ely, Cambridge, England.

   A.   Job Brand, b. 1843 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England, christened 12 Feb 1843 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

   B.   Esther Brand, b. 1845 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

   C.   John Brand, b. 1847 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

   D.   Lawrence Brand, b. 1850 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.  He married Mary Ann Stacey, married 1871 in Kings Lynn, Cambridgeshire, England.

   E.   Easter Brand, b. 1859 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England, christened 14 Jun 1859 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

VIII.   Nancy Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Lydia Sly) b. 1832 in Cambridge, England, christened 8 Apr 1832 in St Vigor, Fulbourn, Cambridge, England.

IX.   Sarah Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Sarah) b. 1835 in Wilberham, Cambridgeshire, England, christened 2 May 1835 in St Vigor, Fulbourn, Cambridge, England, d. 1 May 1920.

X.   Esther Gray, (daughter of Riley Gray and Sarah) b. 1846 in Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England.

 
Another son of  Charles & Aquila Gray named Abraham Gray, b. 1786, married in 1806, Isleham, Cambridge, a Mary Gammon, b. 1787 Isleham, Cambridge. She was the daughter of Joseph & Jesse (nee Talbot) Gammon. As a curio, I have from Isleham, Cambridge other marriages between the Leighton & Gammon families but as yet to connect them.

Nightmare

Hi Grayuast,

   I think the name Leighton/Layton Gray (1834 – 1867) gives a further strong point as well for being a grandson of Robert & Mary (nee Leighton) Gray.

   In my data I have a John Gray who married “Mary” & they fit the time frame for being possible parents of Robert Gray b. 1775. I have listed below a brief family outline for you of which you can see but I have only one child, Charles Gray listed for them.

   Their descendents did marry into relatives of Robert & Mary (Leighton) Gray’s family so there are connections . As you can see the family tree becomes further tangled & this branch ended up in Lincolnshire, which, is where a lot of our other relatives at one time or another lived or visited. More information for this John & Mary Gray is needed but it’s a possible lead.


John Gray, b. C. 1755 in Cambridgeshire, England.  He married Mary.

I.   Charles Gray, b. 1783 in Cambridgeshire, England, christened 20 Jan 1783 in Meldreth, Cambridgeshire, England, d. 1862 in Balsham, Cambridgeshire, England.  He married Charlotte, b. C. 1780.

   A.   Charles Gray, b. C. 1811 in Bristol,Gloucestershire,England.  He married Lydia Elliot, married 1831, b. 13 Mar 1808 in Willoughby On The Wolds, Nottinghamshire, England, (daughter of John Elliot and Jemima Smith).

      1.   John Gray, b. C. 1833 in Brauncewell, Lincolnshire, England.  He married Eliza, b. 1834 in Ingoldsby, Lincolnshire, England.

      2.   Abraham Gray, b. 1835 in England, christened 26 Jul 1835 in South Kyme, Lincolnshire, England.  He married Harriet Smith, b. in Quarrington, Lincolnshire, England, (daughter of Matthew Smith and Charlotte).

      3.   Clark Gray, b. C. 1838 in Coleby, Lincolnshire, England.  He married Mary Ann Gray, b. C. 1837 in Leasingham, Lincolnshire, England, (daughter of Christopher Gray and Maria Smith).

      4.   Charles Gray, b. 1839 in England, christened 25 Jan 1839 in Harmston, Lincolnshire, England.  He married Charlotte Elliot, (daughter of Charles Elliot and Lydia).

      5.   Joseph Gray, b. C. 1840.  He married Mary Ann Newbury.

      6.   William Gray, b. C. 1842 in Burton, Lincolnshire, England.  He married Mary Ann Elliot.

      7.   Phoenix Gray, b. 1842 in England, christened 3 Apr 1842 in Harmston, Lincolnshire, England.  He married Lydia Newberry.

      8.   Abigail Gray, b. C. 1847.  She married Thomas Gray, b. C. 1846 in Waddington, Lincolnshire, England, (son of Christopher Gray and Maria Smith).

 
In my data I also have many Gray’s from Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire going back to the late 1500’s but, I haven’t made much sense of connecting them as yet, very patchy. So it’s not unreasonable over the generations & years for the family to spread from Gamlingay to Isleham, to Mildenhall, Suffolk & so on There are numerous Robert & John Gray’s listed in Gamlingay in the IGI.

The census material can be very misleading too as it was common practice for our Gypsy relatives to use various surnames, forenames as well as many variations of either or both. They also weren’t at all particular about birthdates & locations, I have some who have varied their birth year by 15 years or more in census ! & then from census to census they can vary again.

I'm a afraid I can't be of any assitance with the locations of Dallington & Dunnagan but, I did find a Dillington in Cambridgeshire. I tried the obvious sources but to no avail.

Nightmare

Hi Again Lavina & Cuxwold,

In regard to your Abigail Gray who married John Harris.

I have in my data the following which may be of interest to you.

John Gray married Mary Owens on the 12 November 1801, Meppershall, Bedford.
They had a daughter Sophia Gray, christened 21 November 1802 in Meppershall, Bedford. Could this Sophia be the mother of your Abigail ? The dates fit but..... that's all I have to go on so far.

Likewise, could this John Gray & Mary Owens also be the parents of Charles Gray who married Charlotte ? who then in turn had a son also named Charles Gray who married Mary Elliot ? The time frame fits nicely to all of this but I'm only speculating here.

Euphemia's Brother Rodney being born in 1891, that would make him quite a bit younger than his eldest sibling &, his mother would be some age when she gave birth to Rodney ? Perhaps my dates are wrong or have some entered in the wrong generations ?