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Thanks to both of you Ann and Pat yes I already have both those references. The reference to the article "Notes and Gleanings etc" is where I found the castles occupied by the Sinnotts my family however it is not totally correct actually Artramount castle was the home of the Roche family so I am a little sceptical of some of the other castles attributed to other families. As for the grid reference it is very difficult to discern where the map reference actually is when the google map does not enlarge enough to get a perspective but I have seen this reference and I have contacted the photographers who have taken photographs nearby to see if any of them have contacts in the area that could help me.

I would love to have contact with the locals in the area but not many of the townlands have websites so it is difficult contacting any one nearby.

Thanks again Sue

Would anyone out there be able to scan a copy of the Valence fees Number 24 for Fenegenel page 145 to 151 or thereabouts from the book by Eric St John Brooks, "Knight's Fees in Wexford Carlow and Kilkenny." I would love to buy the book if I could but it is out of print and there is no library near me in Australia that has a copy. My early family history is tied up with the Roche family in the area in Norman Ireland known as Fernegenel. ^(*)



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Thanks for the advice, I am a old lady and not very clever on the computer I sent the message first as a personal one before I realised I could just send a reply to everyone. I am sorry if  I upset you I am always making mistakes, losing information, taking forever to type my messages in, I think I will just give up and sell my computer or give it to the grand kids, it is all too difficult to learn at my age.

Sue

Thanks anyway for the sympathy. I spent yesterday going through the Somerset Doomesday entries that are online. Over 300 entries so far and of course many are without surnames which I know was not common then. Most are names mentioned such as "man of ......" some noble or freeman or knight etc so if he was mentioned in such a way I would have no hope of ever verifying whether he received lands in Somerset or Lincolnshire Dooomesday. I was hoping to link him to one of the Flemish liege lords that he may have been bound to, de La Roch or De La Clare, I cannot imagine if they retained their names he did not retain his? England was more French than english in those days and they would have clung to their French names as they did to their French ways.

I did find one interesting name "Cynesige" but with nothing attached to it, no title that is and I do know that there was a famous church dignatary of that name but I think from all accounts he may have been out of the time frame I am working within. So that led me to consider the following......

My relative "de Synot" comes from Flanders their coat of arms is 3 swans on a red back ground, the french word for swan is cygnet and not far from Lille in old Flanders is a small village "the place of swans," "Cynes." De Synot is very close in sound to De Cygnet. The word Cynesige is very similar?

My family history comes from pieces taken from a book written on the Sinnotts in 1644 by Nigel Sinnott in which these statements are made - a knight from Flanders who accompanied William the Conqueror in 1066 and received lands in Somerset and Lincolnshire and whose names appear in the Domesday Books of those counties.

So I guess I will just keep plodding and see what I can come up with but if any one else out there can help shed some light on this family background I would greatly appreciate your help and thanks again diddymiller.

Sue

Thanks again Stan and Mort.

I am just trying to confirm information that has been passed on down to me. I have done a lot of research into a lot of the family histories of the de La Clares, the La Rochs, families which the Synots were feudally bound to. I have read excerpts of the work by Richard Roch and the Camden Britannia 1610,  looked at Battel Abbey Rolls,  Dives Rolls, Falaise Rolls even the Pipe Rolls of much later. There are works by Nigel Sinnett and Rev Sinnett in the early 1900s that make these statements but I am yet to find any verification in any printed work. I do not require any of the 12th century history confirmed it is more the statements that the de Synots were Flemish knights who came to England with William the Conqueror and received lands in the Doomesday "handouts." if I could get a christian name that would help I only know the common names used in the 12th century, Walter, David and Richard, I am only guessing these might have come through from their Flemish origins.

I do not have a copy of the complete Somerset or Lincolnshire Doomesday only the excerpts Online, so I do appreciate the trouble you both have gone to for me. I will look on the websites you have supplied if by any chance you have any other suggestions please let me know.

Thanks again Sue