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London & Middlesex Resources / Re: DISSENTERS, PECKHAM/CAMBERWELL/LONDON 1800s-1850s
« on: Wednesday 20 June 12 07:52 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for your kind message.  Southwark Local History Library have a lot of material on the dissenting chapels in the area going into the later period (their Hanover Chapel archive for instance goes well into the 20th century).  If you are not already in touch with them I would urge you to make contact.  Their holdings are not easily discoverable online.  Included in the Hanover Chapel material are lists of contributions to the London Missionary Society going into the 1850s; the Library may have similar and later LMS material for other chapels in the area.

Kind regards,
Mark


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London & Middlesex Resources / DISSENTERS, PECKHAM/CAMBERWELL/LONDON 1800s-1850s
« on: Wednesday 20 June 12 06:01 BST (UK)  »
My free, non-commercial website on Nonconformist minister Dr. William Bengo Collyer (1782-1854) of Hanover Chapel, Peckham, contains a number of items that may be of interest.  The home page is at www.wbcollyer.org. 

Dr. Collyer’s supporters were not just from Peckham/Camberwell.  They came from all over the country – as far away as Bristol, Birmingham, Coventry, Devon, Leicestershire etc – as well as from Surrey, Kent, Middlesex and the City of London (including many merchants). 

The material includes:

~ Transcript of Hanover Chapel baptism registers (1801-37) with index to parents and witnesses – 814 entries. (Details of witnesses do not appear in any other published index of the register.) Transcript of 1837-54 register (900+ entries) coming soon and then I’ll move on to the other Independent chapels in Camberwell (Grove, Mansion House, Marlborough chapels) http://www.wbcollyer.org/index.php?p=1_96

~ Subscribers to Dr. Collyer’s printed works (1809-23) – 2000+ entries.  At some future date I will look at indexing the subscribers to works by some of Dr. C’s contemporaries. http://www.wbcollyer.org/index.php?p=1_13

~ London Missionary Society donors and subscribers (those connected with the Camberwell and Peckham branches).  Lists for various years between 1818 and 1843 – these are regularly added to. http://www.wbcollyer.org/index.php?p=1_110

There are also some biographical notes on 100+ fathers of children baptised at Hanover Chapel – these notes are of varying detail and growing in number, and I would welcome any fully referenced contributions or corrections http://www.wbcollyer.org/index.php?p=1_93.

Southwark Local History Library has recently catalogued its archive of Hanover Chapel material (including lists of congregation members) and I intend to transcribe as much as possible for the site.

The site is a work in progress – I am aware some areas (eg the Who’s Who) need a lot more work.

You are welcome to use the material for private research but otherwise please contact me via the site for permission.  In particular, I have had to pay a fee to the National Archives to use images of their material – please contact them if you wish to use their images.

Hope this is of interest to some (and I hope the links all work!)

 

Mark @ Yetminster

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Surrey / Hanover Chapel, Peckham
« on: Tuesday 17 April 12 16:24 BST (UK)  »
West Surrey FHS have published an index to baptisms at Hanover Chapel, Peckham from 1801 to 1879.  I know the original register for 1801-37 is at the National Archives but does anyone know where the originals of the later register(s) is/are?

I've tried the LMA and the Surrey RO sites but cannot find mention of them.  Will also ask the WSFHS but just wondered if anyone knew off the top of their heads.

Thanks.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas Sharp, Clergyman.
« on: Sunday 19 June 11 09:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi. This thread is a bit old but hopefully you are still getting alerts when someone replies. I can clear up the mystery as to why Julia Augusta appears in two baptism registers. I am researching Rev. Dr. William Bengo Collyer (1782-1854) who carried out the baptism.

Dissenting ministers tended not to baptise their own children - a colleague would do it. So there are other examples of Dr. Collyer coming to a minister's chapel to baptise the minister's child.  He tended to record the baptism in the local register and in his own register back at Hanover Chapel, Peckham.  The entry in the Hanover Chapel register says explicitly that Julia Augusta was baptised at the Woolwich chapel.

This is the explanation in this case: one event, two records of it. However, it is not unknown for children to be baptised twice - sometimes in different religions. The register for Hanover Chapel (which Collyer called an 'English Presbyterian' chapel) includes individuals who were also baptised in the Church of England, and I have found one who was also baptised in a Baptist chapel.  See my website www.wbcollyer.org for info on Dr. Collyer (the site is a work in progress).

Also have a look at the Surman Index to dissenting ministers: find Thomas Sharp and look at the image of the index card - it contains more info about his career: http://surman.english.qmul.ac.uk/

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Essex / Re: Parish registers for Stratford Essex
« on: Saturday 16 October 10 14:14 BST (UK)  »
Valda - you are a star (or rather "awesomeness on toast" as a young person of my acquaintance has a habit of saying  ;D) ...  I don't post to rootschat very often but you have usually come riding to my rescue.  That would explain why I couldn't find any registers pre-1834. Still not sure why West Ham parish registers aren't popping up on Ancestry's London digitisation: I thought they were taking a rather broad view of what constitutes London.

Incidentally, for posterity if anyone is searching for John WHITE, I found this: “DEATHS. June 16th, Mr. John White, of the Kent road, late of the Three Pigeons, Stratford Green, in his 64th year” (from The Essex Standard, 2 July, 1847, issue 863).  Ancestry reveals that he was buried at Nunhead Cemetery.  I still think he’s mine – his movement from Essex to the Old Kent Road area exactly matches the movement of George, who I think was his son.

Thanks again.

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Essex / Re: Parish registers for Stratford Essex
« on: Saturday 16 October 10 13:04 BST (UK)  »
Thanks - I did look on that site before I posted (and several others) ... most record office sites have a list of the parishes they cover and their register holdings, but I couldn't find one on the Essex RO site .... I tried their search engine and it would seem to indicate their baptism registers for Stratford only go back to 1834 ... ?

Is St. John's Stratford an ancient parish or a (relatively) modern one?  Was it a parish in 1821?  Or a chapelry of some other parish?    Thanks.

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Essex / Parish registers for Stratford Essex
« on: Saturday 16 October 10 11:51 BST (UK)  »
I have a George WHITE born c 1821 in Stratford / Stratford Green / West Ham (according to different censuses).

I'm finding it difficult to work out which baptism registers to search.  Was Stratford a parish in its own right?  Are the registers at the LMA?  (A search of Ancestry's recent digitisation of London parish registers did not give me anything.)

I think his father was John WHITE who in 1843 was still alive and described as a Licenced Victualler.  A John WHITE owned the Three Pigeons public house in Stratford Green in the 1820s and this might be the same man.  I cannot identify George or John with any certainty in the 1841 census.

Grateful for any help - would particularly like to know if Stratford parish registers (if there are any) have been published or are available online.  Thanks.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Camberwell Reg. Dist. Marriages - please check your certificates
« on: Sunday 29 August 10 08:21 BST (UK)  »
If you have any certificates for marriages that took place in Camberwell Registration District from 1837 to 1854, can you please check if the marriage took place at Hanover Chapel, Peckham, and send me details if so?

I am currently transcribing the baptism register for Hanover Chapel, kept by Rev. Dr. William Bengo Collyer from 1801 to 1837.  About 200 entries are on my website as is the beginnings of an index of witnesses, and more will be posted as I continue to transcribe.  Though the chapel was based in Peckham, then Surrey but now south-east London, the register features baptisms of people from further afield including Bristol and Leicestershire, so it might be of broader interest.  It appears that the baptism register is the only one to have survived from Dr. Collyer's time although the chapel was solemnized for marriages in 1837.  I have managed to find references to a small handful of marriages performed at the chapel from newspaper announcements. 
 
Does anyone on this message board have any marriage certificates (up to 1854) that show a Hanover Chapel marriage?  If so, can they please send me details either via a message here or via my website - which is: www.wbcollyer.org. 
 
Any other info about Dr. Collyer would be gratefully received as would any comments about the site (bearing in mind that it is a work in progress).
 
Many thanks,
 
Mark, Yetminster, Dorset

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Surrey / Camberwell Reg Dist marriages - please check your certificates
« on: Sunday 29 August 10 08:19 BST (UK)  »
If you have any certificates for marriages that took place in Camberwell Registration District from 1837 to 1854, can you please check if the marriage took place at Hanover Chapel, Peckham, and send me details if so?

I am currently transcribing the baptism register for Hanover Chapel, kept by Rev. Dr. William Bengo Collyer from 1801 to 1837.  About 200 entries are on my website as is the beginnings of an index of witnesses, and more will be posted as I continue to transcribe.  Though the chapel was based in Peckham, then Surrey but now south-east London, the register features baptisms of people from further afield including Bristol and Leicestershire, so it might be of broader interest.  It appears that the baptism register is the only one to have survived from Dr. Collyer's time although the chapel was solemnized for marriages in 1837.  I have managed to find references to a small handful of marriages performed at the chapel from newspaper announcements. 
 
Does anyone on this message board have any marriage certificates (up to 1854) that show a Hanover Chapel marriage?  If so, can they please send me details either via a message here or via my website - which is: www.wbcollyer.org. 
 
Any other info about Dr. Collyer would be gratefully received as would any comments about the site (bearing in mind that it is a work in progress).
 
Many thanks,
 
Mark, Yetminster, Dorset

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