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Cornwall / Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« on: Saturday 02 November 24 04:37 GMT (UK)  »
Osprey
Thank you so much for all this information! I have my head down and now able to follow further back.
William Russel - what a coincidence but doing the various family histories I have found that so often the histories of different families have links. As the parish clerk, William's name must be on hundreds of certificates.
Interesting seeing the name Penaluna come up. Have done a quick read up on its origin and seems its based around or from Cornwall and the story is its from Spanish traders/sailors (tin?) who settled there and some even claim its from the armada but there is no proof of the latter.
Again, thanks for all your time.
Anton

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Cornwall / Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« on: Friday 01 November 24 12:26 GMT (UK)  »
Kay, Osprey
Thanks for the correction Kay and also confirmation of burial Osprey.

I need to slightly readjust his probable travel dates to and from the USA.
He might have travelled to the USA 5 years before 1892 per his statements to the court in 1892. ie in about 1888.
On  18 October 1888 he was in the county of Amader (spelling?), California applying for USA citizenship at the age of 27.
He must have come back after that date to Cornwall to marry Annie Alice Pascoe in Sept 1890.
Millicent, their only child was born May 1891.
He was not found in the 1891 UK census.
He then went back to the USA at some time later as on 11 October 1892 he was in Silver Bow, Montana at the 'District court of the second judicial district of the state of Montana, County of  had resided in the USA for the last 5 years and in Montana for the last 1 year.
Then he came back to  Cornwall possibly in 1894 to die in August 1894.

Millicent Thomasine Roger's husband, Edward Cecil Thomas b  June qtr1890, died March 1955 had a father Henry Thomas and the mother might have been a Mitchell per the birth registration. Would it be stretching the 'friendship' to ask if the Thomas side of the family could be traced back a bit in time as you seem to have access to great records? Edward Cecil Thomas left his wife but never divorced and moved to St Ives where he had another partner.
Thanks again for all your information.
Anton

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Cornwall / Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« on: Thursday 31 October 24 11:03 GMT (UK)  »
Kay, on 18 October 1888 he was in the county of Amader (spelling?), California applying for USA citizenship. On 11 October 1892 he was in Silver Bow, Montana at the 'District court of the second judicial district of the state of Montana, County of Silver Bow' again about his citizenship. Interestingly the 1892 document says he said he had resided in the USA for the last 5 years and in Montana for the last 1 year.  As he was not in the 1891 census he must have come back after that date to Cornwall to marry Annie Alice Pascoe in Sept 1891. Millicent, their only child was born May (?)1892.  So then he went back to the US as per the October 1892 court record. Then he came back to  Cornwall possibly in 1894 to die in August 1894.
I have just found out an important point that due to the unemployment in Cornwall he moved to the USA to try and find a better life. In Montana with another friend he planned to run a pub. Obviously his cancer made him return home to family.
James died at an address in Trevenson street which is close to a Wesleyan  chapel in Chapel street but the chapel his wife and daughter and Elizabeth Pascoe are buried in is the Centenary Wesleyan Chapel located at the top of Trelowarren Street.
Kay, again thanks so much for all your research, its been incredibly helpful. Anton

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Cornwall / Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« on: Thursday 31 October 24 07:20 GMT (UK)  »
Kay999
Thank you so much especially for an interesting newspaper article from the Cornishman. James Rogers reputation down the ages is one of someone who abandoned his wife and child and then had the nerve to return home when he was sick.
It seems from the tone of the article and the eulogy that he was quite respected. It does mention he leaves a young widow and child  (which I assume was Annie Alice Rogers and child Millicent). I wonder what the true story was.
Kay, does the story mention which chapel the funeral was held at?
Again, thanks
Anton

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Cornwall / Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« on: Wednesday 30 October 24 11:28 GMT (UK)  »
Kay 999, thank you so much for searching for this information. You have found the right family members.
It certainly seems that James Rogers did not live in the US for long after getting his citizenship and ties in with family stories of him retuning home to the UK, sick and dying there. The story of him going to the US ties in with him being a tin miner. I suppose at that stage tin mining, always hard, was in decline and the California gold rush was on, although if memory serves me, also starting to decline. Not an easy life for anyone in the family.
I believe three female family members, Annie, Millicent and one other are buried together in the Methodist chapel, Cambourne cemetery.
Again, I much appreciate our help.
Anton

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Cornwall / Rogers and Thomas family search
« on: Wednesday 30 October 24 05:17 GMT (UK)  »

I am trying to find dates for the following family generations.
James Rogers whose middle name was maybe Cecil. He married Alice Anne Pascoe (?). Not quite sure of her surname.
Their daughter was Millicent Rogers
Millicent married Cecil Thomas.
I believe they were all Cambourne based except for James for a time.
 
James Rogers left his wife and went to the USA maybe after gold. In 1884 he indicated his intention of becoming a USA citizen while in California and was granted citizenship in 1892 in the county of Silver Bow, Montana. He returned ill to the UK where he died.
Cecil Thomas also left his wife but lived his whole life in Cornwall.

If anyone has access to BMD dates for these people I would be very grateful to get this information.
Thank you very much.
Anton

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Thank you all for the time spent to follow up on my query. Its very much appreciated.
I accessed the census records some 10 years ago and at that time were following up on some 30 names. In looking at the info last week I wondered if I had missed more details about Thomas's specific address in the census, but obviously not.
Thank you for looking in other records to try and find his home.
As commented, Thomas was a 'sawyer' in the 41 and 51 census (like his father). In the '61 census he is a farmer of 14 acres - at the age of 71-  so possibly he moved from his '51 address. I would like to ask the Rootschat experts how could a 'sawyer' move up in occupation/standing/wealth like this in those times? (I assume he would be a tenant and not own the farm).
Again, your help is really appreciated by very amateur 'ancestor hunters' like myself!
Anton

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I am trying to find out if the census records show more details of the exact address where the family of Thomas and Maria Weston Nee Jones, lived, which I have as  Roberstend, civil parish of Hanley Castle, Worcestershire. (Thomas baptised 12.9.1790. Maria Jones baptised 27.12.1798)
I was wondering if the records showed if they lived in accommodation on the Robertsend farm premises or in a village or if the record just shows 'Roberstend'.
Thomas appears in all 3 census records. Maria only appeared in the 1841 census and then disappeared from following census. She died 22.6.1864.
I would be very grateful if someone might be able to help me with this search?

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If I may I would like to reopen this query.

The man I am tracing and 10 of his fellow German SOE agents were infiltrated into German troop camps as POWs  to try and suss out middle rank nazis. He was transferred out of the SOE to military intelligence in Germany for this operation. The action was called 'Operation Battleship'.

Despite questions to various UK bodies and people who have knowledge of secret service operations, no one has heard of this operation. Other than SOE records in the UK National Archives it appears there is no record of this operation nor the men who were involved.
As a result I am trying to find out where surrendered German troops were held in the Schleswig Holstein area so that I could narrow down where he might have been sent.

Despite searches by family genealogist there is no trace of him after WW2. I am beginning to wonder if he did not die in the camp. It is quite conceivable that his purpose had been found out by German troops and it would have given many a reason to deal with him. With all the problems the British administration had in the area they were responsible for, I do not think much time would have been spent on trying to find his murderer amongst  hundreds of possible suspects.
Once I can pinpoint troop holding camps nearby cemeteries might hold the answer to my search.

I have searched the internet but can find no reference to where troops were held after WW2 in this area and I am wondering if anyone else might have details of this.

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