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Canada / Isabella (Bella) Wiles (nee Murrell nee McDonald) in Toronto, Canada
« on: Monday 24 May 10 17:24 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone remember:
I seem to recall someone sending me a border crossing from Canada to the USA about 1947-1949. It was either a link or an attachment.
It was one of Isabella's Sons, Raymond or Wilmot Wiles going to the USA. With one of them was “Mother” in the upper right box.
I have found both of Raymond’s and Wilmot’s immigration cards and no “Mother” to be seen on either. I must be going bonkers!
One was with his Wife, Lorraine. The other was with his Son, Ronlad (but no wife).
Does any of this ring a bell?
I’ve searched for Isabella, Bella/Wiles, Mcdonald and nothing. I know she had a USA SSN in 1951 and died in California in 1986. There's a border crossing somewhere.
Maybe it was sent by email. I guess I’ll have to go back through all my emails and search for a key word.
Thanks for any help.

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Canada / Re: Robert Wilbur Nokes b.1857 d.1935
« on: Thursday 18 March 10 14:31 GMT (UK)  »
This is going to be a round about explanantion, but here goes.
Harriet McDonald who married Charles Colburn Fadden died in 1982. I got a copy of her file from the funeral director and on it the next of kin is listed as a Grace Gagnon. Of course could never find a marrige record for her so didn't know if she was a Fadden or a McDonald. Wonderful privacy laws we all know and love. Now this is taxing my memory but I think I found a Fadden descendant who had some extensive knowledge of this Fadden branch. Together we have been exploring the Faddens (me, hoping to stumble across a Grace Fadden somewhere. Nope). In our search, the fellow I've been working with on the Faddens (Gary Nokes in Vermont) asked me if I could find the marr cert for Hattie May as he was having no luck.
Just as you, Ruth, Jacquie, Valerie, et al have found things I couldn't find (thank you all), I'm trying to do the same thing for Gary.
I didn't want to confuse this thread with my McDonald endeavours that's why I did this separatelty with no mention of McDonald.
Thanks,
Stephen

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Canada / Re: Robert Wilbur Nokes b.1857 d.1935
« on: Thursday 18 March 10 04:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Valerie,
Have searched Ancestry all over and cannot find this marriage record. Yes, there is lots of info but I am looking for this document in particular.

Hi Debbie,
Don't see anything on the Harriet McDonald site in relation to Hattie May Fadden and Robert Wilbur Nokes marrige record.
"Hattie May, married Robert Nokes" When? (1893 I think) and Where?
Can't find the record in Quebec or Vt!
Have found all the info and documents for other family members.
It is the marr cert for Hattie may and Robert Wilbur Nokes that I am missing.

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Canada / Re: William McDonald, emigrated 1910 to Canada
« on: Wednesday 17 March 10 15:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ruth,
Re: Thought I sent you this Stephen?"
You did.
1. The birth looks so good. Parents Michael and Mary seems to match first names on marr cert of Wm/Mary.
Still concerned about that Cane vs Kane on Wm/Mary's marr cert.
Also concerned the birth record says Mary Ann and marr cert only says Mary. Can't wait to see the Register and hopefully the original. That should confirm Mother's maiden name, Mary's age, where born and where living in Toronto in 1914. Can't wait!
2. Michael/Mary's marr cert looks good too. Interesting although her name is spelled Keane, her Parents are Kane. But the witness is Keane. Puzzling.
The handwriting looks the same throughout the cert so why the difference from one name to the next? No consistency!
3. The return trip to Glasgow by Michael/Mary in 1923 could be them. Visiting Daughter and Son in law William in Toronto?
When Mary (Ann) was born they were living on Young St in Hamilton. On the passenger manifest they show address as 80 Udson Rd, Hamilton. Both in Hamilton - that's a plus. I guess it would be hoping for too much that they didn't move between 1888 and 1923! Wonder if the addresses are close together?
Would have also been nice if they had to list when they arrived in Canada and where they stayed in Canada. Again, that would be too easy, right?

Interesting, in the "Country of last permanent Residence" column they put Canada. At first I thought they might have moved to Canada to be near Mary (Ann) (and maybe Annie), but they list a Hamilton address. (Their address in Hamilton or maybe who they're going to visit?)
I wonder if they came back to Canada shortly thereafter?

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Canada / Robert Wilbur Nokes b.1857 d.1935
« on: Wednesday 17 March 10 13:24 GMT (UK)  »
Married Hattie May Fadden 1893.
Not sure if in Quebec or Vermont. Can't find marriage record. Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Stephen MacDonald
Toronto

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Canada / Re: William McDonald, emigrated 1910 to Canada
« on: Tuesday 16 March 10 20:16 GMT (UK)  »
Have been in touch with the Archives of Ontario. What fun!
Can't look at the original marr cert right away. You have to check the microfilm first and if it is illegible, then you can ask to see the original.
But then I find out what they have here is the Register. This is apparently a book where much of the information on a marriage cert was recorded. Sounds like a 'make work' project to me! But I guess that's where I'll have to start.
Apparently the original marr cert is in the Office of the registrar General in Thunder Bay. Don't think I'm making a trip all the way up there. I guess it is possible to order a photocopy though.

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Canada / Re: William McDonald, emigrated 1910 to Canada
« on: Tuesday 16 March 10 20:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Debbie,
Did search SP in 1889. That's where I found Mary b.1889 in Greenock (NW of Glasgow) to John Callaghan and Sophia Canavan.
Broadened it to 1885 to 1890 and came up with 21 possibilities. Only 1 in Hamilton (SE of Glasgow). Michael Callaghan and Mary Kane. Daughter Mary Ann. Hmmm. b.1888.

Now that I look at "Kane" here, if that didn't look so much like a capital
C(ane) on the 1914 marr cert, I'd almost say it could be Kane.
Hey, what if the information in the Bridegroom and Bride sections on the marr cert were being dictated to a city clerk or something? They could have heard Kane and written it in the more familiar form of Cane.
I don't think the writing in those 2 sections is either William or Mary as it doesn't seem to match their signatures.

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Canada / Re: William McDonald, emigrated 1910 to Canada
« on: Tuesday 16 March 10 16:34 GMT (UK)  »
I hope, if I can get to see the original marriage cert, that Mary's address on the third line in the centre portion of the documnet is clear. That may confirm if the 1911 census Mary is the right one. If she didn't move between 1911 and the 1914 marriage!
A lot of marr cert, they just put Toronto. I was glad to see William put his street address. I think Mary did too.
With that I may be able to track her in the Toronto Street Directories too.

Funny, on that third line there's one smudged word that looks suspiciously like he Mother's Maiden name, Caul. Just a coincidence I'm sure. Cretainly does look like Toronto at the end of the line.

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Canada / Re: William McDonald, emigrated 1910 to Canada
« on: Tuesday 16 March 10 16:26 GMT (UK)  »
I can see where it could be Michael as the Father's name.
The Mother's first name looks identical to the Bride's first name, Mary.
That would make my previous search wrong:
I had thought originally the Father's first name was John and found that name and a Sophia Canavan in a previous search with a Daughter Mary b.1889 in Greenock and a Sister Annie b.1895. The marriage certificate has Mary's place of birth with what looks like Hamilton, Scotland (SE of Glasgow) while Greenock is NW of Glasgow). Definitely not the same place!

The Mother's surname is a mystery. Definitely starts with a C (not a K) then maybe an a and then an n or u or ?. The last letter I'm not sure is an e. It looks too big to be an e. Ruth may have been on the right track with Caul. Is that a surname in Scotland?

I found that 1911 census sheet too. Excited until I scrolled over and found religion to be RC. I wonder if (to keep William's family happy) she said Prebyterian on the marriage cert? It's a little faded but looks similar to William's shortform "Presb".
July 1889 looks good, emig 1910 good, maid - could be. Interesting she puts her Nationality as Canadian. Maybe between emig in 1910 and the 1911 census she became a Canadian?

Notice on the 1910 passenger list, age 19, Domestic (maid), and part of the "Francis Party". I note on the 1911 census the whole page seems to be Maids and Nurses all living together. Could these all be the Francis Party?
Must put the 1910 passenger list next to the 1911 census sheet and compare.

Jacquie: Have you ever had occassion to go and look at an origianl document because the online one was so bad? If yes, were you able to make out any more detail on the original?

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