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Waterford / Re: Waterford Marriage look up, please. Keane/Shanahan
« on: Monday 27 February 12 12:47 GMT (UK)  »
I made one error in my last post.  We do have the names of Anne's parents as they were listed on her death certificate as:
James & Mary Kane (but no maiden name of mother which I am desperately trying to find).
I've tried looking for a James and Mary Keane but can't find any records. The only record that I can find, is a census record from 1891 - a James and Mary Kane living in South Wales (Trevethin in Monmouthshire) with their son John.  They men were listed as iron workers and coal miners - this could be them as I have been told we had Welsh coal miners on Anne's side.


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Waterford / Re: Waterford Marriage look up, please. Keane/Shanahan
« on: Monday 27 February 12 12:44 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you both for your reply.  I have the information given to me by another family member who did some genealogy. We are both stuck at this marriage record. We have no birth records of the bride nor groom or the name of their parents. We are completely at a dead end. 
Does anyone have any super sleuth ideas of how to delve into that?  We have the birth records of 4 of Anne & Philip's children (Mary Margaret, John J., Bridget and Philip J.). One birth record, of my great-grandmother, Hanna (aka Ann) Shanahan is missing. 

Their first 3 children were born in Waterford and one born in Boston. My great-grandmother, Hanna was supposedly born in Ireland (but not quite sure where) before they immigrated to Boston. Philip Shanahan was not around at the time of her birth as he was in Boston (he was a seaman/ship's carpenter) and had disappeared and married another woman in Boston.  It was only when he was sick with a fever that he accidentally spilled the beans and upon interrogation by his 2nd wife, confessed that he had a wife back in Ireland with 4 children (sailors!).  His 2nd wife took pity and insisted that he send for his wife and family and that they get back together (good gal!).  Anne traveled to Boston with her 4 children in about 1873.

I can go forward but can not go back any further than Anne Keane and Philip Shanahan.  When they came to America they names on records became Anne Kane and Philip Shannon.

If anyone has any advice on how to find out about their family background, I would be most grateful.

all the best,
Pamela


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Waterford / Waterford Marriage look up, please. Keane/Shanahan
« on: Sunday 26 February 12 20:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
I am trying to find the parents names of Anne Keane & Philip Shanahan.

Anne Keane & Philip Shanahan were married in the Parish Church of Holy Trinity Within Waterford (Cathedral) on 2nd January 1862.

I only have information as to who the witnesses (Michael Burke & Mary Ann Walsh) were but do not have the names of Anne's parents/occupation nor do I have the names of Philip's parents/occupation. I am especially hoping to find Anne Keane's mother's maiden name. I was told that Anne Keane came from a family of Welsh Quakers, but Keane is clearly an Irish name, so I am assuming that her mother may have had a Welsh surname.

Can anyone please help to find these details if they exist?

It would be so very much appreciated!
Sincerely,
Pamela

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Dear Darren,
Thank you for your post regarding the Quaker Meeting Houses in the Pontypool area.  Do you by any chance know where there would be Quaker Meeting Notes from these? Do you know the dates in which these meeting houses were active?

Supposedly my great-great-grandparents used to have meetings in their home. They were also coal miners.  I am wondering if they worked in Blaenafon if they lived in Trevethin.

Do you know if old Quaker meeting notes in Wales were mostly written in Welsh or English?

thanks for your help. I'd love to see that photo you mentioned.

all the best,
Pamela

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Zeitler-Shannon (Shanahan) Marriage Look up Request
« on: Friday 28 October 11 09:43 BST (UK)  »
Thank you MerJones. I did see that census that is how I also got the confirmation of their marriage date of 1892 (as it says they had been married 8 years in 1900).
Funny how her name is Annie on that census. She has also been Hanna, Anna and Ann.
The trick is to find their marriage record. I am almost postive they were living in one of the boroughs in or around NY City.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Zeitler-Shannon (Shanahan) Marriage Look up Request
« on: Thursday 27 October 11 22:22 BST (UK)  »
Thank you. yes, I've looked at that site and came up with the same results. Perhaps they were married in a different state. It's hard to know where to look.

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US Lookup Requests / Zeitler-Shannon (Shanahan) Marriage Look up Request
« on: Thursday 27 October 11 18:24 BST (UK)  »
Dear All,

I have searched many websites and still can't find the Marriage Record of my great-grandfather and great-grandmother.

Supposedly, a relative, thinks that they got married August 26, 1892 possibly in Brooklyn or somewhere in New York.

His name was Joseph Zeitler and her name (a bit complicated) was Hanna Shannon (sometimes called Ann or Anna on other documents and originally her last name was Shanahan until she immigrated to the USA from Ireland and it seems they changed it to Shannon).

I would be so grateful if anyone could shed some light on this mysterious marriage record.

Hanna's birth record is also a mystery as she is the only daughter of Philip Shanahan and Anne Keane whose birth record we can not find. She was either born in Wexford, Waterford, Cork, Ireland or there is a slim chance she was born in Liverpool).

If anyone can help me find her birth record and her marriage record I would be grateful. Suposedly she was born on July 4, 1870 or 72, thereabouts.
Thank you in advance for your help!

all the best
 :)


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Hi Morgan,
My Ann was married in Ireland (Waterford) and had 3 of her 5 children there.  In my research, I found out that Quakers were running soup kitchen in Waterford during the famine and that they also had a thriving ship building business there too.  I am wondering if Ann's family were involved in the Quaker ship buisness in Ireland but perhaps the maternal line was Welsh, and that's how Ann met her husband Philip - who was a "Chippy", a ship's carpenter.

So it could be that there was the Irish line that married the Welsh line.  The Welsh Quaker part of my family supposedly used to have Quaker meetings in their home. It is written in the letter that they women would scrub the soft coal dust away after each meeting and how strenuous it was that their arms were sore.

Sometimes there are these stories that tell more than a census.  If only I new the mother's maiden name. Perhaps it was the mother that was married, Had Ann and then lost her first husband and then married James Keen/Cane....

Tis a mystery! Hopefully it won't forever remain so.

Are you from the Abersychan area, Morgan?

The strangest thing - if my Welsh ancestors were from that area near Quaker's Yard, it would not surprise me because I have been drawn to that area for 10 years.  I met some people who live in Abercarn and had been visiting the area every year.  They say we move in the same path as our ancestors sometimes.

we shall see!
thanks for your help. The hunt continues!

There was a James and Mary Kane who lived in Abersychan (Trevethin) with their son John.  I only see them on one census.  I wonder what happened to them...



all the best,
Pamela

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Hello again, Morgan.
I just realized that this couldn't be our Ann Kane/Cane/Keen/Keane.
This one that you found was born in 1861, whilst ours, Anne Keane (last name and spelling of first name change often on documents) married Philip Shanahan (later to become Shannon) on 2 JAN 1862 in the Cathedral Parish of Holy Trinity Within, Waterford.  Witnesses were Michael Burke and Mary Ann Walsh. Parents were not listed.

Our Ann/e must have been born in the mid to late 1840s, that is my guess

Perhaps this James Keen/Cane was Ann's brother?

It is all still unclear.

I got excited too soon ;-)

If you find anything else out...

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