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Monmouthshire / Re: William Watts born c1872 Tredegar
« on: Monday 14 November 11 15:01 GMT (UK)  »
Seems like my 2xgt grandmother was " a bit of a girl "   :-[ I will check out these possibilities and keep you informed of progress.  ::)

Many Many thanks both of you for your efforts.  ;D It always helps when someone else confirms your suspicions.

Watch this space as they say  :-*

Val

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Monmouthshire / Re: William Watts born c1872 Tredegar
« on: Monday 14 November 11 00:09 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: RCB on Sunday 13 November 11 14:05 GMT (UK)
Did you look at 1871 - Ruth Franks age 22 is a servant of a Jenkins family, but I think she may be their daughter in law, Ann Franks age 5, and young Thomas Franks are with her. I think Ruth Thomas married John Jenkins 1865 Brecon. And late in 1871 in Newport a William Watts married a Ruth Frances? So easy for Frances to become Franks with the handwriting of the day. So she was a widow possibly for the second time when she married James Williams 1880. Hope this leads you somewhere. Fred

I looked at the census and agree this could be her. I found a death for ann JENKINS age 7 in Bedwellty so that could account for her not being on the 1881 census.

Now I am confused as to where the marriage of Ruth THOMAS and JOHN Jenkins comes into this. Am I missing something ?  ???

I think my my 2xgt grandmother had a lot of children out of wedlock    :-\
I really appreciate your help with this
Val :)                   

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Monmouthshire / Re: William Watts born c1872 Tredegar
« on: Sunday 13 November 11 17:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Fred, many thanks for your reply. I did not look at 1871 for a Ruth Franks I assumed maybe wrongly that she would have been Watts by then as she already had Thomas  and that Franks was her maiden name. This is definately a possibility. I shall look further. ;)

I did find the marriage between William Watts and Ruth Frances and thought the same as you especially as she signed with a cross on Williams birth cert.

I still am not sure I have the right William Watts born 1872 ( my gt grandfather ) though as where does Henry Watts come into this as William said that was fathers name on his marriage cert !!!!

It is always a problem when children are between census' proving their parents, out of 4 gt grandparents I can't find two of them !!!!  Anybody want to swap families  ;D

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Monmouthshire / William Watts born c1872 Tredegar
« on: Friday 11 November 11 18:49 GMT (UK)  »
I would really appreciate some help with this !!!!!!!!!!

1911 census   William Watts  age 39 ( birth c 1872 )Tredegar mon living 12 Plummers Row Married 17 years marriage  9th july 1894 got cert
Fathers name on cert Henry Watts coal miner


1901 census  William Watts age 30 birth 1871 living 8 Plummers row


1891 census William Watts age 18 ( c1873 ) living Aberdare mon with William & Margaretta Morgan

I think this is him as a Margaret Morgan was a witness at wedding in 1894

All above census are definitely him as proved by the children including my Grandmother Charlotte Watts born 1900 I know all her sisters and brothers names are correct as well.

1881 census

This is where I get stuck the only family I can come up with on this census is that seems to fit is:-

James WILLIAMS
 Head     M     Male     30     Llanwenarth, Monmouth, England     Coal Miner     
 Ruth WILLIAMS
 Wife     M     Female     32     Trevethin, Monmouth, England          
 Ann WILLIAMS
 Daur          Female     14     Aberystruth, Monmouth, England     Scholar     
 Thomas WATTS
 Son          Male     11     Mynyddislwyn, Monmouth, England     Scholar     
 William H. WATTS
 Son          Male     9     Aberystruth, Monmouth, England     Scholar     
 Sarah WATTS
 Daur          Female     8     Aberystruth, Monmouth, England     Scholar     
 George WATTS
 Son          Male     7     Aberystruth, Monmouth, England     Scholar     
 Ada WATTS
 Daur          Female     5     Aberystruth, Monmouth, England     Scholar    
 
 Now back to 1901 census they had a visiting Williams  Family could be coincidence as not uncommon name in Wales
I checked with registry office and they confirmed that William < sarah and George all had same parents can’t find Thomas and didn’t confirm Ada

I then got this Williams birth cert
William Henry watts 12th June 1872 born West side Cwmtillery  sub dist Aberystruth dist Bedwellty  father William Watts  mother Ruth Watts formally FRANKS  fathers occ coal miner

Working on the assumption it was Ruth’s second marriage I searched for the marriage and drew a blank for  Ruth Franks and HENRY Watts which my William said was his fathers name.

I found marriage for James Williams & Ruth Franks in 1880 q4 Reg Pontyprdd
All in right area.

Next I looked for deaths  Between 1871-1881
William Watts found  age 40 Q4 Bedwellty 1879

And  Henry Watts  age 30 Q3  Newport 1879

Do I assume Ruth never married William and That as My William was so young when his father died that he got his name wrong or am |I missing something???

Now my problem is where do I go next !!!!!!!!!!!!

Many thanks for reading all this

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Kent / Re: Northfield Laugton Kent
« on: Wednesday 18 May 11 19:27 BST (UK)  »
How strange that you should post this today as it is her birthday  :) Sadly she passed away last year in australia.

Thanks for confirming that it was a nursing home.

Val

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Southborough address on 1861 census
« on: Monday 10 May 10 22:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi Bearkat,
 So sorry for my late reply but wasn't notified , and I have only just seen it. :-[

So , a household of servants which could bear out the therory that it was someone's country house maybe  :-\

So was it called Bloombank or just 1 Park Road ? Thanks for finding it as I couldn't.
How did you search for it as I don't know how to on anything other than 1881 census.
I now need to go back even futher to see who owned it  ::)

Many thanks for your help and please accept my apologies for not checking this post sooner.

Val

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Southborough address on 1861 census
« on: Monday 26 April 10 00:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi ,
 I am trying to find the history of the house my husband was born in in Southborough Kent.
It was reputedly Queen Caroline's halfway house. ( Halfway to where I don't know  ;D )

It has now been demolished ( it was a listed building ) as a newspaper report which we have in our possesion shows.  :(

I have also a drawing of it dated 1856 so must been on the 1861 census.

On 1881 census living there was a Susan Milbank who is listed as a Dukes daughter so traced her but not there in 1871. Her lineage is well documented as she was an Osborne prior to marriage.

I digress, as my question is how can I find the address on the census. Is there any way as have checked what I thought was the right district  ( district 6 ) all pages and cannot find it.

The house was called Bloombank on the drawing and address was 1 park road Southborough.

It later changed to Winton Lodge.

Thanks for reading this
Val

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Kent / Re: Northfield Laugton Kent
« on: Thursday 11 February 10 22:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Nigel,

great minds think alike  ;D

That's what I was doing when your reply popped up  ;)

I hadn't searched for Langton only Laugton so was having a look see what I could find. The planning app was interesting. Seems there was a Northfield Lodge and Northfield house, Seems almost certain it might have been a nursing Home at one time.
Thanks for taking an interest.
Val

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Kent / Re: Northfield Laugton Kent
« on: Thursday 11 February 10 22:14 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks nigelo

Yes that's the right birth registration mother's maiden name was Walker.

They were all living in Southborough at the time with their grandmother Marian Lloyd, I know where.

I was trying to establish where or what  Northfield Laugton was or is. I thought that it could be a nursing home but could not find a place called Northfield Laugton . Looking at the cert it could be an "n" so Langton is a possibility.

So it could be a nursing home in Langton, any one know of it ?

Many thanks for taking the trouble to help me, it is much appreciated.

Val

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