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Hi,
I'm new to this list

I have a copy of a church record showing  Ellen Sullivan married to Patrick Sheehan 1870 Stradbally Waterford, the information came from an online source...the father of the bride is named as Denis Sullivan.
The 1881 Wales census  (RG11 Piece 5360 Folio 73 page 34) shows Patrick Sheehan and wife Ellen and children boarding with Dennis Horrigan and his wife Elizabeth, also living with the family is Ellen's mother also named Ellen Sullivan, now a widow abt. 1833 Ireland. Also living in same household is Mary Sullivan sister-in-law of Dennis Horrigan.

The only baptism I could find for Ellen Sullivan abt. 1853 (searched within 10 -/+) where the father's name was Denis mother Ellen  and having two siblings Mary and Elizabeth is:-

Ellen Sullivan bapt. 5 Aug 1851 father Denis Sullivan .....mother Ellen Cleary

I happily thought I'd located the right family but I have two glaring problems as follows:-

1) The only marriage I can find is for Daniel Sullivan and Ellen Cleary 1844 in Stradbally. No marriage record for Denis Sullivan and Ellen Cleary. Could the name of the groom be wrongly transcribed, could the groom actually be Denis Sullivan...the father's name on the church record is also Daniel Sullivan. I can find no children for Daniel Sullivan and Ellen Cleary.

2) The year of the youngest child's baptism  would mean Ellen Cleary gave birth at 12 yrs of age, if her birth year is to be believed on the 1881 census record. All the baptism records for 6 children of Denis Sullivan and Ellen Cleary  are as follows (hope this is helpful) all in Stradbally

Mary Sullivan 1845
Elizabeth 1847
Julian 1849
Ellen 1851
Mary 1857
Elizabeth 1859

The two younger siblings may have died as two older sibling have same name, no death records found on the site I am using.

We all know the census is riddled with errors and as the 1881 record is the only record I can find for Ellen Sullivan, widowed mother of Ellen, Mary and Elizabeth, so it's possible her year of birth is incorrect.

Any ideas of where to go next please ?

Thanks so much for taking the time to read all this

Best Wishes Reeveh
 

Hi ,
I'm stuck now and have no idea where to turn....any guidance will be much appreciated, this is what I know so far ...

Thomas Thomas married widow Ann MacCarty 1833 St. Mary Redcliffe, the marriage appears on Bristol & Avon FHS CD Vol 8.

As Ann was a widow when she married I tried searching for an earlier MacCarty marriage,
the only one I could find was Owen McCarty bach otp to Ann Webb spin otp 31 Mar 1828 - Bedminster St. John. The only problem with that marriage is that it makes the Ann in my family tree around about 13 yrs; I know girls got married at a very young age but I'm not convinced it's the same Ann.

By the time the 1841 census was taken Thomas & Ann  had a daughter Ann Thomas abt. 1835, I can't find a baptism for her.

I cannot find any trace of them on the 1841 census, but they do appear on the 1851 census living in Uphill.

Thomas Thomas abt .1805 Swansea
Ann Thomas abt. 1815 Swansea
Ann Thomas abt. 1835 Bristol (no baptism shown on Bristol Bapt. Vol 7)
Emma Thomas abt. 1843 Bristol
Alfred Thomas abt. 1845 Bristol
Mary Thomas abt. 1847 Bristol
Margaret Thomas abt. 1849 Bristol
Edward Thomas abt 1850 Uphill

HO107; Piece:1936; Folio:425; PAGE:11
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The 1861 census shows Ann's birthplace as Bristol, no trace of husband Thomas he may have been at sea.

RG9; Piece 4104; Folio:55; Page:11

Thanks for taking the time to read all this

Best wishes Yvonne Hills

Hi,
Thank you so very much for your help....I can't tell you how thrilled I am

Do you have any idea on how I can find out Ann's former name please?

I was actually expecting Thomas Thomas to be the widower...there are 2 marriages for Thomas Thomas ( mariner) to a Catherine in Swansea, she died 1839......but that was obviously the wrong track.

thank you once again for your invaluable help

Reeveh

Hi ,
I'm searching for a marriage for Thomas Thomas (abt 1805) and Ann MacCarty (abt 1815)...  according to the 1851 census their daughter Ann Thomas abt.1835 was born in Bristol...as was her mother Ann.

census:- HO107: Piece 1936: Folio 425: page 11...the family are living in Uphill.

I cannot find a trace of the family on 1841 census, Thomas Thomas was a mariner so it's possible he was at sea, but I've been unable to trace wife Ann and daughter Ann.

I hope I have given enough information

Tyvm Reeveh

Hi,

Thanks for info, I too found the William Pryor/Martha Folliot marriage but ruled it out when one of the parish records on Ancestry showed Maria Pryor as being illegitimate, could it be possible Martha Pryor was a widow and gave birth to an illegitimite child?, that's something I hadn't thought of until now, but there is a gap of 31 years between Maria being born and Martha Folliot marrying William Pryor.


The word "caplion" you see after the mother's name has been transcribed as  "baseborn"....as far as I'm aware that means first child. 

According to the 1841 census Maria Smith (formerly Pryor) is living with her son Anthony John Smith, b. 1825 Woolwich and daughter Emily b.1832 Brompton, goodness knows where Maria Pryor and John Smith married, the dreaded Smith name again; Maria cetainly moved around a lot as she ended up living in Australia with the daughter Emily, someone in Australia has links to the family, but we are stuck on Martha for sure.

Thansk for taking the time to reply , much appreciated