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Hi Rina
what a lot of info you have!!  We went to Ruthin last year to find Owens birth and his parents, but couldn't find Richards parents!!  Shame we didn't have contact before!!  They are also my GGparents on Mum's side - Elizabeth.  I also have contact with 2nd? cousin from Gertie who has been doing some family stuff as well, and another who is related to (I think) Joseph William Jones.  Mum always said we had a famous rev in the family who she thought had been a missionary, we thought maybe this had been Richard - she also used to say we were related to Lord Macauley (the poet) which is something 2nd cousin also 'knew' about, but with no real info.  Unfortunately his Mum has passed away and mine now has dementia so we can't get accurate info anymore.  If only we'd listened to all the family stories Granny used to talk about!!!!!
Would love to meet up and exchange info with you, although I don't think I'd have anything you don't!!
Brilliant!!

Mary

Hi sancti,
Thanks for that info, I've been doing another link so have been pretty tied up with it.  I have Margaret on the 1881 census (married with children) being 29 which would make her birth 1852ish, I do remember Mum and Gran years (many!!) ago talking about a Thomas Eastop as well so that could easily be her brother (Margaret was having children when her eldest was having them as well) or even her father.  Interestingly Margaret called 1 daughter Amelia Janet (known as Janet) and 1 Elizabeth.  Have ordered marriage cert so hopefully it will arrive soon and give parents names.  I guess if it was 1 family it could be parents and older sister.  Hope cert hurries up!

Many thanks,

Mary

Hi Katy
well you've got much more than us!! We have Owen married Lydia Clark (parents John & Ann Clark of Lynn - Kings Lynn) on 31.1.1831. census forms for 1841 1851 1861(Alfred & Robert only) 1881, 1891 and 1901.  Then from Mum and Baptism records we have their children John bap 1834 Sedgeford, Richard Owen b 31.5.1835 bap June 1835, then Richard Owen again along with Joseph William bap July 8th 1838 (no record of a Richard dying and census has Richard as 3 yrs older than Joseph!! obviously done to confuse us!) both born in Sedgeford and Mum thinks Richard may have been a watchmaker, then Robert Samuel bap 7.4.1840 Mum thinks poss church minister born Thornham, Ebenezer Calvin bap 14.1.1844 Thornham, Alfred Isaac 25.1.1846 Thornham Mum thought poss a blacksmith and maybe married Ann Mason (he & Robert were lodging with Mason family in 1861, Owen Henry bap 9.1.1848 Thornham married Margaret Eastop from Glasgow (died Birmingham c1934, Margaret died 1928/9 in Belvedere) and Mum thought there was a girl Christine who died in infancy - we could find no record of this.  I 'come from' Owen Henry, they had 10  girls and 1 boy - their 6th child was Elizabeth Jane born 25.11.1881 at 11 Edith Street Haggerston, Married Frederick Thomas Burr on 2.3.1902, had 5 children Mum being the youngest, and died on 15.10.1972.
Owen & Margaret had:- Margaret 1871 m Harry Burr (Grannys bro in law) 8 children Harry Alec Maggie & ??

                                      Amelia 1873 m Walter Griffin  1 child Walter
                                      Lydia Jean 1875 m Alec Kelly had Lyddie, Maggie, Alec & Bill
                                      Harriet A 1878 m Ted Brockman had Will, Maggie, Dolly (Edith), Robbie & Charley
                                      Owen Henry 1880 m Ethel Blainey  adopted 3 then had 2 of their own
                                       Elizabeth Jane (Granny) 1881 m Fred Burr had Frederick, Elizabeth Rose (Rosie), Victor,
                                                                                                           Lyddie and Freda (Mum)
                                       Alice Louise 1885 at Chiswick m George Coates  had 5  Margaret, George ?    ?    ?   Alice was booked to go on the Titanic but missed it - Luckily!!
                                       Edith 1887 Silvertown Essex m Frank Smith  had Doris & Joan  (I don't envy them looking for Smiths and Jones!!)
                                        Grace Joan 1890 m Alan Partridge had 1 stepson
                                         Gertrude 14.11.1893  Erith m Gilbert Ashbee in 1914 had Tommy (15.3.14), Winnie (11.1.16)
                                          and Margaret (19.5.33) who died at 13.  It is Winnie's son we are in contact with.
                                    and Ethel Oct 1897 Erith  m Jim Tappin  had David.

Someone had a Grace as Mum used to work with Auntie Gracie and cousin Gracie in the Holloway Pleating Company in Holloway Road London.
The first 6 of Owen & Margarets children were born at Haggerston.

Mum also thought that 1 of the 7 Jones Brothers (O & L's) was the Jones ot Jones and Dunn Hatmakers -  not unreasonable as Lydia was a bonnet maker (or is that clutching at straws!!)

Oh how I wish I'd payed more attention to Mum and Granny's 'ramblings' when they knew what they were talking about - Granny would have known exactly who did what, where and when.  Still we're getting there and with your bits, Maurice's bits and our bits we are at least 'getting the picture'.

Don't think it helps your personal search but hopefully will fill in some gaps, as yours has done for us.   As you've been to Kew do you live near there?  We do.

Chat later
Mary

sorry, thought you meant 1861 in Scotland, married down here then back to Scotland. . .ahh just seen the other flaw in that - if she was married it would be Jones not Eastop.  My excuse is I'm tired - been up too long!!  Think I need to go through it in the morning when my brain is working.

Thanks
mary