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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lost Aunt
« on: Thursday 13 December 12 18:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janey

You have the correct family and address in 1861. They had moved from Glasgow to 168 High Street Close, Dumbarton and then on to Dunoon, Argyll. They then moved back to 227 South Wallington Street, Govan by 1871, but James was now a commercial traveller and was away for the census. When James died in 1872 Elizabeth moved to 42 Old Dumbarton Road and was there until she died in 1913.

Jane is a shirt maker on the 1871 census.

The Y and N are for born in county or not, as you worked out. Because you have found the marrige registered in Gorbals and Eastwood, Renfrewshire, it might be reasonable to hypothesise that James was born there, as it is out of county.

You have John IRVINE b. 1854 Renfrew on your list. He could be the son mentioned on the birth of Elizabeth McIntyre IRVINE that I had not identified by name. Do you have any details? Can you remember where the information came from?
The same for Mary Jane b. 1857 Greenock.

Lastly, I am a little confused by your 1871 census entry for 7 Surrey Street, Gorbals as you also mention Elizabeth at 227 South Wallington Street, Hutchesontown in 1871 for the same family. The second address is certainly the correct one. Could you please send details of the 1871 Surrey Street address.

Best wishes

Braven

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lost Aunt
« on: Wednesday 12 December 12 22:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janey

I have James IRVINE b. 1826 rather than 1824. Also, your census information differs from mine. I have -
1841 census living at Bridge Street, Gorbals, Glasgow
  Jas IRVINE       40   Umbrella maker  N
  Jas IRVINE Jun   15   Ap. tailor      Y
  Elizabeth IRVINE 35                   Y
  Mary IRVINE      11                   Y
  Martha IRVINE     9                   Y
  Eliza IRVINE      7                   Y
  Jean IRVINE       2                   Y
  Helen IRVINE      4m                  Y

1851 census living at 7 Bridge Street, Gorbals, Glasgow
  Elizabeth IRVINE 46 Head  Umbrella maker  Glasgow
  Elizabeth IRVINE 16 Dau.  Umbrella maker  Glasgow
  Jean IRVINE      11 Dau.  Umbrella maker  Glasgow
  Margaret IRVINE   5 Dau.  At school       Glasgow
  Jessie IRVINE     2 Dau.                  Glasgow

I therefore have additional children from the census -
  Jean/Jane IRVINE b. 1839 Gorbals
  Helen IRVINE b. ?.2.1840 Gorbals
  Margaret IRVINE b. app. 1846 prob. Gorbals, Glasgow
  Jessie IRVINE b. app. 1849 prob. Gorbals, Glasgow

I am not sure when James died, but presumably between 1848 and 1851.
James (b. 1924/26) carried on the family business of umbrella maker, as did his sister (presumably under her maiden name).

Slater's Royal National Commercial Directory 1878
Jane IRVINE - Umbrella manufacturer at 7 Bridge Street, Glasgow

I also have -

Pigot and Company National Commercial Directory - date unknown
Jas IRVINE - umbrella manufacturer at 3 New Bridge Street, Glasgow

Jean/Jane IRVINE m. Francis McHUTCHISON 2.6.1857 and on the 1861 census Margaret and Jessie are living with them at 11 Bridge Street. Margaret is an umbrella maker.

See post 74 for my list of children of James and Elizabeth. I have checked all the birth certificates and can find no reference to Elizabeth McIntyre IRVINE as the mother. They are all Elizabeth IRVINE nee ROBERTSON.

In post 73 you say you have 8 children for James and Elizabeth and I have only found 6, so I am really keen to find any others.

Best wishes

Braven

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lost Aunt
« on: Tuesday 11 December 12 16:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janey

Bits I forgot -
Elizabeth ROBERTSON b. Calton, Glasgow app. 1831
James IRVINE b. Gorbals app. 1826
Archibald McCORQUODALE was an apprentice shipwright in 1920 and the marriage was at 4 Parkgrove Terrace, Hillhead, Glasgow (you probably already have this)
Jane Bell McCORQUODALE d. 1.10.1927 at 23 Fielden Drive, Partick, Glasgow (again, you probably have this)

Braven

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lost Aunt
« on: Tuesday 11 December 12 14:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janey

Thanks very much for all the McCORQUODALE information.

I have James ROBERTON and Elizabeth McINTYRE as parents of Elizabeth ROBERTSON (b. app. 1831 - d. 22.4.1913), but no further details. I have tried looking for a marriage.
I have James IRVINE (b. app. 1801 Scotland) and Elizabeth McINTYRE (b. app. 1806 Lanarkshire) as probable parents of James IRVINE, along with six siblings.
I can find no link regarding the same maiden name.

For the children of James IRVINE and Elizabeth ROBERTSON I have a son (name unknown, from BC of Elizabeth McIntyre), Jane (app. 1854-1893), Elizabeth McIntyre (1855-1856), Jesse (1858-?), James (1862-1930) and Martha (1865-1865), so I am keen to know the names of the two I am missing.

A photograph of Andrew and Esther would be great.

Finally, regarding Euphemia Bell LAIDLEY, I have followed your posts explaining her adoption by John Thomas LAIDLEY (I presume she was illegitimate), but I am unaware of anything else.

Look forward to hearing from you

Braven

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lost Aunt
« on: Monday 10 December 12 19:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sandra

Many thanks for the information.

Braven

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lost Aunt
« on: Monday 10 December 12 17:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janey

Thanks for your reply. I now have most of the recent IRVINE details. I am missing the marriage date and place for Andrew and Esther and I have no record of children for Jane Bell and Archibald McCORQUODALE between 1920 and 1927. Do you have any details?

I have also been unable to account for Jesse IRVINE b. 1858 at 221 Holm? Street, Blythswood, Glasgow, son of James and Elizabeth (nee Robertson) and brother of James b. 1862. He does not appear on the 1861 census, but I cannot find a death for him between 1858 and 1861.

I have photographs of James, Margaret and Sarah, but none of the others. Have you found any online?

Let me know if you need details of the earlier family.

Best wishes

Braven

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lost Aunt
« on: Sunday 09 December 12 18:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sandra

My apologies. I missed the post 40 reference. It was reply 42 referring to a death of Euphemia KENT in Florida in 2003 that I noticed. I have only just downloaded the death of Esther IRVINE (nee BACKHOUSE) in 1957 to find her maiden name. I will now go back through the posts to extract the relevant BACKHOUSE information and add it to mine.

Do you have any specific links for this IRVINE family tree? I've only got as far back as 1801.

Braven

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lost Aunt
« on: Sunday 09 December 12 16:26 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

I've only just come across this post and have read through it with interest. My link is Jane IRVINE, sister of James Irvine who married Euphemia Bell LAIDLEY. I would certainly like to get more information on James and family. One error I noticed regarded Euphemia IRVINE who married John Turner KENT in 1922. She died in 1955 in Glasgow and not in the USA. John Turner KENT died in 1970 in Glasgow.

I hope that you are able to reply after such a gap since the last message.

Braven

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Lanarkshire / Re: Kinkacre Farm
« on: Tuesday 18 August 09 20:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I've looked at the certificates again and it could certainly be Kirkacre Farm. The dates were 1908 and 1913 when the family farmed the land.

David

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