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Renfrewshire / Re: Montgomery of Meikle Cloak
« on: Tuesday 31 August 21 19:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,
I have Baptismal records of children to Robert Fulton and Isabell Montgomery. The name Robert is quite numerous in the Fulton family tree. Both Isabell's first husband Arthur Lang and Robert Fulton were subscribers to the same religious publications (Phronema to Pneumatos or the Grace and Duty of being spiritually-minded, Declared and practically improved, and Epistologia: or, a Declaration of the Glorious Mystery of the Person of Christ, God and Man.) which indicates some form of familiarity. Isabell's marriage to Arthur Lang was recorded as the following: "31 Oct 1767, Arthour Lang, weaver and Isabell Montgomerie in Bank-End, daughter of Hew of Meikle-Cloak". Arthur died two years later in 1769. Isabell married some time between that and 1772 when her first child to Robert Fulton was born. Robert was also a widower at the time. The dates fit.

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Perthshire / Re: Penmans/Izats
« on: Sunday 20 September 20 21:06 BST (UK)  »
The site is "Internet Archive". It has digital copies of books from all over the world and it is free. They have a lot of the Scottish Folio Society books, family histories etc. It's a bit tricky to work.

https://archive.org/index.php

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Perthshire / Re: Penmans/Izats
« on: Sunday 20 September 20 18:30 BST (UK)  »
I just went through the Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses and Guild-Brethren and I read the report your relative wrote. Your relative said that George, a shoemaker in Edinburgh couldn't possibly be your George as she can't imagine a shoemaker being a merchant. I came across the following in the above book - entered as Burgess 27 Oct 1742, George, cordiner (shoemaker), Burgess by right of his father Edward Penman Goldsmith. Edward Penman was an Assay Goldsmith and head of the Guild.  Edward's brother James, also a Goldsmith had a son called James who was a chirurgeon and Major in the Gibraltar garrison. He was also entered as a Burgess. So you have a military and a merchant connection in the same family. They had money. Might be worth pouring over the Scottish Record Society books.

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Perthshire / Re: Penmans/Izats
« on: Saturday 19 September 20 21:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mary,
It's Elizabeth here. Both my son and I have taken the autosomal DNA test. I can trace my ancestry back to William Penman and Janet Izatt. I checked both our DNA with yours and there isn't a match. It really is determined what autosomal DNA you inherited from your parents. I'm not getting very many Penman matches but I'm getting a lot from my Rae/Ewing line. They married into my Penman line.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Montgomery of Meikle Cloak
« on: Wednesday 04 January 17 01:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,
I'm back at work so not enough time for genealogy.  It says "booked" at the very top of the register.  Obviously the minister at this parish was too lazy to state the difference between banns and marriage.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Montgomery of Meikle Cloak
« on: Monday 02 January 17 17:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Julia,
The first of Isobel's children to Robert - Ann 1772 "Daughter lawful of Robert Fulton and Isabel Montgomerie of Newtown".  Now the marriage between Arthour Lang and Isobel is listed as "booked".  Maybe it never happened. Some registers state the difference between banns and the actual marriage.  The sentence is usually "X and Y gave up their names on such a date and were married on another date."  This one just says booked.  I can't find a marriage for Isobel and Robert and assume they were not Church of Scotland.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Montgomery of Meikle Cloak
« on: Thursday 29 December 16 22:41 GMT (UK)  »
I doubt it.  Our Montgomeries are in Scotland and probably descend from the main branch in Wales.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Montgomery of Meikle Cloak
« on: Thursday 29 December 16 13:15 GMT (UK)  »
I researched the lands of Meikle Cloak on Scotland's Places and apparently the land was leased to the Montgomeries from Paisley Abbey.   

Abt 1520 • Meikle Cloak, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Clook - Assedatur one William Montgomerie yearly three blocks of cheese and three bull calves - Black Book of Paisley Abbey.

If they were a relation of the Montgomeries of Eglinton, it is probably lost in the mists of time.  They've held the lands of Meikle Cloak since the fifteenth century up until today. 

I picked the name Colliersbairn because both sides of my family were coal miners.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Montgomery of Meikle Cloak
« on: Thursday 29 December 16 12:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,
I am descended from Robert and Isobel as well through their son Robert Fulton and his wife Jean Caldwell, their son James Fulton and his wife Isabella Lusk , their son Andrew Fulton and his wife Mary Adams and their daughter Elizabeth and her husband William Irvine.

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