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Staffordshire / 1844 Staffordshire Address
« on: Monday 21 April 25 13:11 BST (UK)  »
Hello Folks, I've been mapping all the addresses relating to my ancestors. Seeing if the locations still exist, visiting in person or just Google Earth etc. This is one I'm stuck on.
"Foxley, Little Aston, Shenstone, Staffordshire"  from an 1844 birth certificate. The family name is Timmis. I suspect Foxley was a farm but not 100% sure.

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The Common Room / Re: Altering Original Parish Register of Marriages
« on: Sunday 02 March 25 18:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you rosie99 and AntonyMMM this highlights not relying on transcripts and always seek out originals.* From AntonyMMM post the least reliable information is from the GRO. "Register B (the church register)" has to be an original. Signed by their own hand by all present at the marriage. "Register A(the civil register)"  "most vicars would complete registers A&B at the same time during the ceremony" Therefore that is another separate original document. Register 'C' a copy of A or B  is the transcript the GRO depend on. From the original post the GRO records were confirmed by the local registration office to have the same pencilled notes. "any alteration would have to first be made on the parish record..." An alteration has been made. It's different ink. Hence the later pencilled notations on the copies. I think you have solved the mystery.* I should point out that originals, like in this case , are not always factually correct.   

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The Common Room / Re: Altering Original Parish Register of Marriages
« on: Sunday 02 March 25 16:18 GMT (UK)  »
Thankyou Deirdre784. I applied for the document using the GRO Index of Marriages. The copy I received from the GRO is a certified copy of an entry of marriage given at the GRO. Certified to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a register of Marriages in the Registration District of ***.
The image on Ancestry ( not attached to a tree ) is of the original entry from the Parish Register. The headings including reference numbers on the Parish register are the same as those on the certified copy. If the information from the GRO is not from the original Parish register where does the local registration office get that information come from ?   

 

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The Common Room / Re: Altering Original Parish Register of Marriages
« on: Sunday 02 March 25 14:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Ticketyboo and LizzieL
What I need to know is which version is correct. Was the 2007 "copy" mis transcribed ? The response to the query "a pencil notation appears on there record christian name not known" Is that a copy of the Church register ? They suggest a name as maybe the grooms forename.
 On the "original" image on Ancestry that name is clearly written  in different ink as the grooms fathers name.
 The record image on Ancestry is from the Register of Marriages book ie. the one signed by all parties at the time of the marriage. That must be the original from which copies have been made. It is very clear now so has it been altered. If I apply to the GRO for the same copy where will they get the original to copy from ?

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The Common Room / Altering Original Parish Register of Marriages
« on: Sunday 02 March 25 13:04 GMT (UK)  »
In 2007 I purchased a certified copy of a Parish entry of marriage from the GRO. Parts of the copy were not legible. I queried this with Certificate Services. They responded "In column 7 in our records a pencil notation reads 'christian name not known' " After consultation with *** Registrar it would appear that the same pencil notation also appears on there (sic) record, however also entered is the name "***" it may be that the grooms forename was *** but we cannot confirm this.

2025 The marriage entry from 1898 as it appears on Ancestry.com has had the pencil note removed grooms fathers name inserted with darker lettering and an obvious spelling error in the original has been corrected.

I find this very concerning.   
   

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Commercial photographer wigan/lancashire
« on: Tuesday 24 September 24 12:53 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for all your replies.
Yes https://www.wiganworld.co.uk is an excellent site that I have been a contributor to for many years.
https://www.cartedevisite.co.uk/ is a good resource but no longer respond to queries of this kind.
https://archives.wigan.gov.uk/archive very good response to my query
Quote from: AlanBoyd on Monday 23 September 24 15:33 BST (UK)
In 1901 at 70 Standishgate there is a “shoemaker shopkeeper” and that fits with a newspaper advert around that time. I haven’t been able to find the address in 1911.
They confirm this but have no record of Sylvester & Doran. They also recommended https://www.wiganworld.co.uk  Another recommendation from archives.wigan.gov was https://rps.org/resources/researching-historical-photographers/  I will thank the wigan archive and ask that they add rootschat to their recommendations. :)
   

 

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Commercial photographer wigan/lancashire
« on: Monday 23 September 24 14:28 BST (UK)  »
Hello Folks, I have a damaged photograph. It was taken by Sylvester & Doran of 70 Standish....damaged bit...Wigan. Possibly Standishgate. Taken between 1900-1910. I've done a basic search of the usual places, National Archives, Directories, Newspapers, cartedevisite etc.   I've found photographers moving addresses after a couple of months which is great when dating a photo but can find no trace of this studio. Any ideas ? Thanks for your time.

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Staffordshire / Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« on: Saturday 14 September 24 14:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: viddavid on Monday 31 March 08 13:49 BST (UK)
Quote from: viddavid on Sunday 09 March 08 13:16 GMT (UK)

There is another address : 46 Newport Road Stafford. I don't know who lived there.....yet.

Still haven't tracked this down as early census doesn't have house numbers. Any ideas ?
Stafford Baptist Church history.
“The Induction Service for the Rev.  E.  A.  Thornton was held on the 8th.  September 1945, when he, and his family were welcomed into the Church.
It had earlier been decided that the Manse at 46 Newport Road was unsuitable for a family, and it would eventually be sold. “ So it was a sort of Vicarage.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Van Diemen's Land
« on: Friday 08 April 22 14:43 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to you both "expressions" it is. Just for interest his name was Richard Hulcup and was transported to Australia for seven years for stealing turkeys. He wasn't the best behaved convict and served eight years. Some of it in solitary confinement. I actually spent 15 minutes in the pitch black solitary confinement cell in Port Arthur, Tasmania and you literally cannot see your hand in front of your face. Upon release he married and moved to Melbourne where he was in an altercation with police. He died from his injuries. 

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