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Australia / Re: O'Brien Joseph of Emerald/Gembrook Victoria
« on: Monday 05 January 26 12:27 GMT (UK) »
To recap: - sorry long post!
Victoria BMD index gives his age as 55
1901 reg no 15432
OBRIEN, Jos
Place of Death: Scoresby
Age at death: 55
My comment - I think the place of death is somewhat misleading as the newspaper report quoted by Sue in The Age and the family death notice both give the actual place of death as Emerald. However there was a newly created 'riding' of Scoresby within the Shire of Ferntree Gully. As I have already mentioned the administrative districts are difficult to disentangle.
Apparently the informant for the death registration was a (Police?) constable which would explain the lack of record of other family members in the death registration.
You can buy an image of the death certificate from Victoria BMD site for cause of death, certifying doctor etc.
The family death notice gives his age as 55 as does the gravestone which is pictured on Find-Grave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/140695698/joseph-obrien
Find-a-Grave allows contributors to add information to their records and the record for Joseph shows a photo of the headstone as well as the following added biographical information:
Cemetery Emerald Cemetery
Burial Number 306768
Surname O'Brien, Given Name Joseph
Date of Birth about 1846, Date of Death 08/12/1901
Age 55 Y
His death cert states he was 55 years old, died of senility (old age), the Informant was a Constable, was Church of England burial, he lived in NSW 41 years, and Victoria for 13 years, he married Jane Baggs in 1869 in Sydney. He was a farmer in Victoria but an upholsterer when he married. He was survived by his wife Jane and their children.
Joseph was an upholsterer when he married Jane. He lived at Pitt street Sydney at the time. The marriage was Church of England.By 1896 Joseph and the family had moved to Gembrook were he owned a house and 29 acres as part of Crown Allotment 59 in the Parish of Gembrook. On his death the title was passed to his wife and she disappears from the rate books in 1905. (to go to NZ).
There is no citation as to who provided this biographical information.
It is not uncommon for newspaper reports to be incorrect which is probably the reason for the incorrect age in the article found by Sue.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/192210178?
The suddenness of his death and the fact that he was apparently alone would account for an involvement of police but apparently no inquest held.
I cannot see any evidence of there being any other Joseph O'Brien dying at around the same time at Emerald or anywhere else in Victoria. The only other death registration for anyone of a similar name is for a Patrick Joseph OBrien, aged 41 ,died at Seymour and from the registration number for his death 1901#7450 this man likely died much earlier than December.
Ancestry has a public family tree which includes Joseph and his family and seems well-researched. You may wish to contact the tree's owner - access to Ancestry is often available through public libraries.
Judith
Victoria BMD index gives his age as 55
1901 reg no 15432
OBRIEN, Jos
Place of Death: Scoresby
Age at death: 55
My comment - I think the place of death is somewhat misleading as the newspaper report quoted by Sue in The Age and the family death notice both give the actual place of death as Emerald. However there was a newly created 'riding' of Scoresby within the Shire of Ferntree Gully. As I have already mentioned the administrative districts are difficult to disentangle.
Apparently the informant for the death registration was a (Police?) constable which would explain the lack of record of other family members in the death registration.
You can buy an image of the death certificate from Victoria BMD site for cause of death, certifying doctor etc.
The family death notice gives his age as 55 as does the gravestone which is pictured on Find-Grave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/140695698/joseph-obrien
Find-a-Grave allows contributors to add information to their records and the record for Joseph shows a photo of the headstone as well as the following added biographical information:
Cemetery Emerald Cemetery
Burial Number 306768
Surname O'Brien, Given Name Joseph
Date of Birth about 1846, Date of Death 08/12/1901
Age 55 Y
His death cert states he was 55 years old, died of senility (old age), the Informant was a Constable, was Church of England burial, he lived in NSW 41 years, and Victoria for 13 years, he married Jane Baggs in 1869 in Sydney. He was a farmer in Victoria but an upholsterer when he married. He was survived by his wife Jane and their children.
Joseph was an upholsterer when he married Jane. He lived at Pitt street Sydney at the time. The marriage was Church of England.By 1896 Joseph and the family had moved to Gembrook were he owned a house and 29 acres as part of Crown Allotment 59 in the Parish of Gembrook. On his death the title was passed to his wife and she disappears from the rate books in 1905. (to go to NZ).
There is no citation as to who provided this biographical information.
It is not uncommon for newspaper reports to be incorrect which is probably the reason for the incorrect age in the article found by Sue.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/192210178?
The suddenness of his death and the fact that he was apparently alone would account for an involvement of police but apparently no inquest held.
I cannot see any evidence of there being any other Joseph O'Brien dying at around the same time at Emerald or anywhere else in Victoria. The only other death registration for anyone of a similar name is for a Patrick Joseph OBrien, aged 41 ,died at Seymour and from the registration number for his death 1901#7450 this man likely died much earlier than December.
Ancestry has a public family tree which includes Joseph and his family and seems well-researched. You may wish to contact the tree's owner - access to Ancestry is often available through public libraries.
Judith
