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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 18:26 GMT (UK)  »
Rosinish, a town in Germany is a possibility, especially as Regiment of Foot Guards were in Germany fighting at the time when Barnes would have signed up. The problem with Hainichen, however, is that it is in Saxony and that the Saxon troops - and Population - had no contact with the english troops. They were fighting a couple of hundred miles away so there would be nom reason for barnes to have joined the English guards. If you had said Hanua, or Frankfurt, Verden or Dettingen............... but they are all too far away - unfortunately.

@ Josey, I agree that we are most probably looking for a bigish town/City, be it in England, Scotland, Germany or Netherlands.

I will be in London end of March and I plan to visit the National Archives to look at the muster Rolls/Pay books of the 1st Foot Guards. As These documents haven't been digitised yet. I will have to wait until then before I possibly uncover a bit more Information. I will also visit the home of the old 1st Regiment of Foot Guards in Waterloo Baracks where the Grenedier Museum now is. Ask them a few questions.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 16:25 GMT (UK)  »
@ Rosinish, although most of them say "near", not all of them do. There are a number of "at" eg at Dublin, even one which state in Skiel.

@ Bookbox, yes, I suppose it could be a W but only if the first letter is an S.
 I can't imagine an Lw or an Iw

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 15:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Annie,
Barnes served in the 1st Regiment of Foot Guards - the ones mainly based in London for the protection of the Monach. They later became the Grenider Guards, not to be confused with the 1st Regiment of Foot who later became the Scots Guards.
I was very confused by this at the begining until the difference was explained to me.
 If you look at the documents,  most were members of a Foot Regiment not a Foot Guard Regiment. Those who were Foot Guards were born in Barnet, Tunbridge and Kittering and it is now one of the reasons why I am not too certain regarding a scottish birthplace. I suspect or mayby I am just hoping for, a Home Counties birthplace

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 13:35 GMT (UK)  »
@ Josey, I agree that it Looks very similar to the CC but that makes no sense at all
Scc... or Icc.. or Lcc. If it were an I then it should be Ick....
I also agree that "u" is the most likely, Su... or Lu... or Iu...

@ Rosinish, although Insch has been suggested by a number of helpers, I would have thought that if he said he was Born near somewhere, he would have taken the next largest town - Aberdeen - and not a villiage that I imagine most People of 1769 would not have heard of. Even now it only has a Population of 2.282 (Appologies if anyone from Insch is reading this)
Having said that, it does look like Insch in the document

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 12:25 GMT (UK)  »
Even more sadly I think you are right. I let myself be led astray by the transcription and hope.
Ah well, back to the drawing board!

If we cannot agree on the first letter, what do you think the second one is?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 12:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hmm - good suggestion and food for thought.
Do you see the line accross the complete word indication that the second vertical stroke is definitly a letter "t"?

I just changed my searching ways and entered only an initial "B" for Barnes.
Ancestry came up with one possibility, a B. Bout Born 14 December 1724  to Rich Bout in Wakefield, All Saints.
I tried the same in Germany and Netherland any came up with zilch!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 11:48 GMT (UK)  »
Josey,
Looking at the page again I see that there are at least two handsr writing Inverness.
Looking at the one for Finlay McInzie I see that the writer definately starly at the bottom and not at the top as I originally suggested. However although both hands go anticlockwise initially, the "I" starts with a full circle whilst the (possible) "S" definitely starts with a half circle.

Whichever is correct, I still cannot come up with  place name if we discount Inch.
I suppose it might be German seeing as Duke of Cumberland was Commanding Officer and some battalions of the 1st Foot Guards were in Germany at times -
I hadn't thought of that! And there are a lot of Boot(e)s in the Netherlands. But Barnes is not a Christian Name in either of those countries.
Funny, someone else also came up with the Barnes-Mothers surname theory but the only Boot/Barnes marriage I came up with was in 1852.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 11:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bookbox.
re.: "and at least 2 different Hands" looking at the three sets of initials below this block, I believe that there are actually three sets of hands which, as you rightly say, makes comparison very dificult.

I also agree that there is a lot of non-Standard spelling but even taking that into account, i can't find anything which might fit.

Yes it is a possibility (but I hope not) that Barnes was born outside the UK. the only Thing I know is that he was Born in 1724 or 1728 (depending on which record is to be believed), that he served with the 1st Regiment of Foot Guards (i.e. mostly in London), married in 1751 in the Fleet and his wife  (Faith) came from St Margarets, Westminster. He dies in 1774 in St Martin-in the Fields. He had at least two children both baptised in St Margarets Westminster.
This meant he signed up around 1746 but I have nothing on him before that.
I have done a world blanklet search but have not come up with any other Barnes Boot(e) nor Butt or Boet etc

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rheumatic born near ?????
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 10:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Venelow and Josey,
@ Josey, Venlow is correct and beat me to informing you. The WO116 complete series can be downloaded free of charge, you just need to register. I downloaded the WO116/6 document and it is of better quality that the copy I had before. However, not all of the WOs have been digitised and you will still need to go to the NA to look at some of them.

@ Venelow, many thanks for this and I agree with the flowery hand. As there are quite a number of scottish birth places on the page, it might well be Inch.
However if I compare the "I" from Inverness to my one, in Inverness the hand seems to start at the top, going to the right and then up before coming down and finishing with a loop. It might even start at the bottom but then it goes up and to the left to complete the loop before going up. I do not think that this is the case in my word.
If you compare the word Sickly just two lines up from Barnes, I believe that the "S" is identical to the starting letter of my word, both starting to go down in a half loop before going up.

However, my Problem with that is I cannot find any town starting with an S which could fit so maybe I am completly wrong. What do you think?

Whatever the word is, I think it must be a town as it doesn't make sense (to me at least) to be near India, near Essex, near Scotland etc. In such a case he would have written In india, Essex, Scotland etc as he has done for other entries.

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