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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: Doyle family, West Lothian (1860s & 1870s)
« on: Wednesday 16 July 25 17:55 BST (UK)  »
I forgot to include the following information in my original post. The child from Scotland who was adopted by Thomas and Evelyn Doyle in 1930 was named Norman Stewart. His birth parents were John Brown Stewart & Margaret Stewart (m.n. Wregg). Norman's adoptive parents changed his name to John Stewart Doyle. This is surely a very unusual choice. This is one of the main reasons why I an convinced there was  a connection between the Stewart and Doyle families.

Regards

Doddie

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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Doyle family, West Lothian (1860s & 1870s)
« on: Sunday 13 July 25 12:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I need help with a bit of a conundrum. I have included a link to one of my previous posts which provides some other related details to an adoption. This is quite a long (and convoluted) post, so I  hope you’ll please bear with me.

Does anybody have Doyle ancestors from the West Lothian area that may have had connections (marital, social or work, anything really) with any Stewarts from the Stirlingshire and West Lothian areas? I know this is a very broad question.

A coal miner, Michael Doyle came to Scotland from Ireland. In 1845 he married Mary Courtnay from Dumfriesshire. They had 13 children altogether, born between 1845 and 1872. Some were born in the Glasgow area, but after 1862 the rest of  their children were born in the West Lothian area - Mary Doyle in Torphichen (1863), William Doyle also in Torphichen (1864), Bartholomew in Bathgate (1866) , Thomas Doyle in Armadale (1870) and William Michael Doyle in West Calder (1872). The relevant Stewart family members who I have managed to trace so far (Christina Stewart, Duncan McLaren Stewart, Jane McLaren Stewart and Janet Dunlop Stewart) were born in Gargunnock near Stirling, but by the next generation some of the Stewarts were living in Bonnybridge. In the link (which doesn’t feature any names), the “married couple living in Northumberland” that I mention were Thomas and Evelyn Doyle who already had two children. Thomas (b. in the Newcastle area in 1886) was the son of James Courtnay Doyle (b. 1857), one of the Glasgow area born Doyle children. Therefore, the West Lothian born Doyle’s were his aunts and uncles. I am convinced that the fact that there was an adoption arrangement between two couples that were living so far away from each other (quite unusual?) suggests that the Doyle and Stewart families were already familiar with each other. I have been searching for a possible connection for about a year now but haven’t managed to establish one yet. I would be SO grateful for any help.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890746.msg7646554#msg7646554


Regards

Doddie

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Sincere apologies. I've only just realised that  the death certificate I was looking at was the wrong one. The name of the father's deceased is John instead of James. By coincidence the mother's maiden name is that of the lady I am looking for.

Regards

Doddie

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Hi I could really do

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All the information from those who have replied is most helpful. I have a gut feeling that Thomas, James’ eldest child, may have been the person who  identified the body. Of course, I have no way of proving this conclusively. I have been trying to find out more about his backstory ever since I discovered that he committed suicide at the age of thirty in 1909. At the time he was a barman by trade.

Regards

Doddie

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I feel rather foolish. I've had a look at the death certificate. The informant is James' father Thomas Graham. I thought maybe that the person identifying a dead body and the informant indicated on a death death certificate might not necessarily be one and the same. I think the tragic timeline is as follows; James' body was found at 8:40pm on Thursday the 31st of October and then taken to Falkirk Police Mortuary. The body was identified on the evening of Friday the 1st of November. The newspaper report was published on Saturday the 2nd of November. I am not sure when the actual death certificate was issued but the correction statement that accompanies it has two dates at the bottom of it - " Falkirk, 14th November 1895" followed by two names, and "Polmont, 25th November 1895" followed by the name of the registrar. Does this indicate that the death certificate may not have been not issued until between three and three-and-a-half weeks after death. Also, does it mean that it is was accepted that the person who identified the body would also be entered on the death certificate as informant?

Regards

Doddie

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I am, by process of elimination, attempting an educated guess at which family member identified a dead body after a railway accident near Polmont in 1895. Was there any official protocols laid down for this in Scotland? I have a case I am looking at of a man who while drunk decided to walk home along a railway track. He was consequently run over by a train. It states in a newspaper report that the badly mutilated body was, "....removed to the Falkirk Police Mortuary. Last night it  was identified by  a relative....". I realise that it may not necessarily have been his wife or children, but if it was, were there any rules about who was allowed to do this? I do think that the prospect of seeing the terrible state of her husband's body would have been too much for his wife. They had five children - three daughters and two sons. The oldest child was Thomas who was aged sixteen at the time. The other children were, Mary (fifteen), Elizabeth (eight), Margaret (six) and John (four). It does seem that Thomas may have been tasked with the dreadful task of identifying his father's body. I do know that Thomas does seem to have had a very unsettled and troubled adulthood. Maybe this related to what he had to do as a teenager. I am aware of the fact that this is all basically conjecture and that I may receive some very short responses like, "Anybody could", but I thought I would put my query out there anyway.

Regards

Doddie

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Stirlingshire / Elizabeth Frew (m.n. Graham) d. May 1930
« on: Tuesday 10 June 25 07:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I am after some information of a somewhat sensitive nature. I am carrying out some family research for my girlfriend. I have discovered her great aunt Elizabeth Graham married William McLuckie Frew in 1907. Elizabeth died in 1930. At the time she was a patient in Stirling District Asylum (also referred to as Larbert Asylum, as it is on the death certificate). I am just trying to find out when Elizabeth was admitted to the asylum and perhaps a little background information. I fully appreciate that this is very delicate territory. As I understand it, Stirling University holds all the records for Stirling District Asylum and I have also reached out to them to see if they can assist me. I would like to apologise in advance for any upset caused by my post.

Regards

Doddie

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Stirlingshire / Old Post Office Directories covering Avonbridge
« on: Friday 06 June 25 15:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I am after some advice. I am very used to using old Post Office Directories for research, and very helpful they are. Recently I have been trying to find out which district covers the village of Avonbridge. I googled this and I came across some information indicating that directories for the Stirling area would cover Avonbridge, but I couldn't find anything in them. With Avonbridge being only 6.4 miles from Falkirk and 3.8 miles from the larger village of Slamannan, I presumed myself that Avonbridge would be covered by Stirling. Maybe it is Falkirk Post Office Directories that I should be looking at. All advice greatly appreciated.

Regards

Doddie

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