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Thanks again, confusing

In conclusion are you suggesting Mary Ann Ashby m John Batty? 23 Jun 1835 Kensington as John Batty and Mary Ann ASHLY  (he d Mar qtr 1843 Marylebone) a plasterer

sons:

Charles Ashby Batty bap to John & Marianne! d 1842 Marylebone aged 0
& Thomas Edward Batty b 1843 also to John & Marianne! Batty d 1843 aged 6 months,
No children soon after 1835? until 1841 6 years later

If (assuming all this is correct) and she lost her husband and 2 children in 2/3 years perhaps that's why there was no mentionof kids in Mary Ann's later life as Mrs Haines or in 1851 when she was living with her 3 sisters.
But no mention of them as a family in 1841 C?

Who was Charles Batty d 1843 aged 20? b 1823, 8 years younger than Mary Ann b 1815

Did she m in 1835 or was she still single as in 1841 C?

Hi

Mary Ann ASHBY was b poss 18.9.1815 Marylebone, London, dau of poss Thomas Ashby & Jane Roberts m 19.5.1808 St Mary, Marylebone, London

In 1851 as Mary Ann BATTY, she was a widow living in Marylebone, London, with sisters, Catherine, Frances & Dina ASHBY - all Dressmakers; the 3 sisters were single

As such, despite a good deal of research, we can't find a m for her with a Mr Batty

In 1854 (no full date unfortunately) she m (2) William Taylor Haines at St Margaret, Westminster.....

This may be Mary Ann in 1841 as Mary Ann ASHBY, residing in Grafton Place, St Pancras, aged 25, with a Joshua & Martha Thonston - no details on Family Search

Any assistance as to her 1st m will be gratefully received - did this m result in any children?

sft456

Hi
Frederick Joseph BELL & Frances RANBY marriage 1861/2
Some confusion as to the date this couple m - BMD has Dec qtr 1861, Family S has Jan 1862 but no specific date (marriage notice Event date 2.1.1862 Lincs Chronicle)
Perhaps if anyone has access to this newpaper, a date could be confirmed
As always we are grateful for any assistance
sft456

Thanks all for your help

Apologies for being in the wrong County, James being MP for Tewkesbury (only 1 of many Martins), we considered that he had a place there & some kids were b & bap there

An excerp from a History this family

The second son of James and Penelope was Joseph, who got married to Sarah Harrlet, daughter of Robert Hewit, Esquire of Whitehaven and the third son was James who on September 20, 1819, got married to Julia Vignoles, daughter of Reverend John Vignoles, from Portarlington. The daughters of James and Penelope were Penelope, Catherine, Elizabeth, and Anne


James was apparently a friend of William Pitt the Younger, though political opposites & had a house in Downing Street next door. I don't know for how long or any dates

All baps as you say need to be checked

Catherine/Katherine was b 8.6.1781 in Downing St - is that right & bap 6.7.1781 there privately. I did note somewhere (perhaps FS) that she was bap in Worcs Cathedral. Can you tell me where she was bur?

Anna Martin b/bap 22/6/1785 Downing Street d 4.2.1839 Norton House, Bredon, Worcs. Is that a bap or b? Can you tell me where she was bur?

You stated Penelope Martin bap 10/10/1777 d. 27/10/1870, yet also stated was "Her will is on Ancestry. 1840" She was a spinster of Norton House in the parish of Brendon Norton, Worcs. Burial register says Norton House.
Did she therefore d 30.1.1840 Ledbury, Herefordshire (as FreeBMD)? & then bur in Norton?

Bredon has a famous tythe barn, which I once had to survey as a student!

Hi

"The daughters of James and Penelope MARTIN (nee SKIPP)" m 17.2.1774 were, according to a histiry of that name:

1 Penelope - 1777 poss bap 10.10.1777 - 30.1.1840 poss unmarried
2 Catherine  (1) - b ? poss bur 1787 (a dau of theirs but no retails)
3 Catherine (2) - 1781 bap 6.7.1781 - ? m? d?
4 Elizabeth - 1783 - 1844 m Charles Edward Hanford - we have found their details
5 Anne - b ? m? d?

Unfortunately we have been unable to find any further details for these daughters; any help would be apprecaited

Thanks

sft456