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The Common Room / generational longevity
« on: Thursday 26 June 25 12:40 BST (UK)  »
 Hi all

after the missus asked me to get funeral cover (her dad died in January) I've been thinking about the life expectancy of my ancestors. Conventional wisdom dictates that advances in health make each generation on average live longer than the preceding one, so I thought I would look at my ancestors to see how they go. Also, those who lived in the colonies are known to have a improved life expectancy to their European counterparts.

To start off, I'm in my late fifties, and my parents are hale and hearty in their eighties. I would expect given their health for them to both make it into their nineties.

Grandparents: all South Australians born in the early 20th century, they all lived into their eighties, with an average age of death being 84 years, 3 months.

Great-grandparents: all South Australians born in the late 19th century, ages of death range from 53 to 91, with an average age of death being 73 years, 4 months. Drop of a decade in a generation. The open verdict by the coroner in one of these deaths by a 61-year-old war veteran skews the figure downwards.

Great-great-grandparents: all but one were South Australians, born in the mid-19th century, ages of death ranging from 49 to 93, with an average age of death being 75 years, 6 months. Average lifespan holds steady.

3x-great-grandparents: This is the generation of my ancestors, largely born in rural areas of the UK (or in one case Hanover) in the early 19th century who mostly migrated to Australia in the mid-19th century, ages of death ranging from 26 to 89, with an average age of 66 years, 6 months. Again, a drop of a decade within a generation. Factors here include two deaths in childbirth skewing the figures down. I have only used the statistics of 28/32 members of this generation; the other four I do not have accurate lifespans for. Average lifespan of those who didn't emigrate was 57 years.

4x-great-grandparents: British/European born in the very late 18th and early 19th centuries, about half of whom migrated to South Australia. Those who migrated generally lived a decade longer than those who didn't. Accurate lifespans only known for 36/64 of this generation. Ages of death range from 43 to 89; average lifespan of 72 years, 2 months.

5x-great-grandparents born late 18th century, I only have accurate data for nineteen of them, but they have an average lifespan of 81 years, 2 months.

So, the average lifespan by each generation has gone 81, 72, 66, 75, 73, 84, 84+. I am surprised by the dip and rise. could that be the effects of the Industrial revolution taking its toll?


(edited with updated info)

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Australia / Re: Staff Sergeant William Vivian
« on: Friday 25 April 25 14:03 BST (UK)  »
wow! so that's interesting. My Vivians are not of Cornish descent. Went down that road before. In fact, theirs is an anglicization of the Flemish surname Whiffen. So there was a second unrelated VIVIAN family in the Mannum area!

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Australia / Staff Sergeant William Vivian
« on: Friday 25 April 25 12:07 BST (UK)  »
So, its ANZAC Day, and I'm trying to identify all relatives within six degrees of separation who served in the AIF.

My great-grandfather Victor Rhodes Vivian was a 26-year-old Trooper who embarked aboard the HMAT Seang Bee at Adelaide on 10th Feb 1917. His next of kin was his father John Peter Vivian of Mannum, South Australia.

On the same ship was Staff Sergeant William Vivian, age 31, who's listed next of kin was his father, J. Vivian, of Mannum, South Australia.

are they brothers? or cousins? I am reasonably sure that all the Vivians in Mannum at that time were of the same rather large extended family, yet I can't see how William fits in.

Thanks in advance, all help is always appreciated.

Nudge


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Montgomeryshire / Re: Edward Rees yeoman and Ann Rees Llangurig 1825
« on: Monday 10 February 25 10:24 GMT (UK)  »
Just hopping in on this one to provide clarification

I'm descended from a Richard Rees (b. 1812 Llanidloes), who was the brother of an Edward Rees (b. 1798 Llangurig). they are sons of Jenkin Rees & Elizabth Owen, both of Llangurig. The family relocated to Llanidloes sometime after 1804. My Richard Rees was certainly no yeoman, in fact he was a sheep-stealing convict to Australia!

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The Lighter Side / my ancestors constituencies
« on: Sunday 07 July 24 13:57 BST (UK)  »
Before I began, this post is intended to be apolitical, I'm an Aussie, so have no dog in this fight.

In light of the recent election, I thought it an interesting exercise to see what constituencies my ancestors came from when they migrated in the mid-19th century. I identified 18 in all, mostly in the southwest of England.

before this election, 14 were Conservative, 2 Labour, 1 Lib-Dem, 1 SNP

after this election, 8 are Labour, 5 Conservative, and 5 Lib-Dem

with 10 out of 18 constituencies changing hands, that's quite the change!

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Europe / Re: pre-unification German BDM certificates?
« on: Sunday 07 July 24 13:45 BST (UK)  »
They came from Clausthal.

So it looks like, apart from a few years under Napoleonic occupation, civil registration did not begin until after their migration.

Thanks all

nudge

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Europe / pre-unification German BDM certificates?
« on: Thursday 04 July 24 09:34 BST (UK)  »
I know it's a long shot, but does anyone know if historic BDM certificates are available from the Kingdom of Hanover? I have ancestors from there who migrated to South Australia in the mid 19th century.

thanks

nudge.

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The Lighter Side / Re: President John Tyler has a living grandson?
« on: Wednesday 03 July 24 08:56 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Russkie

Its more the age difference that I'm remarking on! I'll have to dig deeper, but I'm not seeing anything above 165 years in my tree. Still, I don't have the situation of someone fathering a child in his mid-70's that fathers a child in his mid-70's who is still alive in his mid-90's.

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The Lighter Side / President John Tyler has a living grandson?
« on: Wednesday 03 July 24 08:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi all

I'm descended from a James Tyler who may be an unverified distant cousin of US President John Tyler (1841-1845). John Tyler was born in 1790, 234 years ago.

While reading about him I was astonished to find he has a still living grandson, Harrison Ruffin Tyler (b. 1928) son of Lyon Gardiner Tyler (b. 1853)

That's got to be some sort of a record! a grandchild still alive 234 years after someone's birth!

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