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Armed Forces / Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« on: Wednesday 30 January 08 14:25 GMT (UK) »
I would say Yes.... but ask them !
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Armed Forces / Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« on: Wednesday 30 January 08 13:54 GMT (UK) »
You are more than welcome !!
They are extremely talented nd helpfl however they are quite a small office ( 4 or 5 people).
For this reason, if contacting them with a query, try and frame your question so that it can be answered with a quick email or phone call.
As far as I know, their main function is to professionally archive military material.
I don't think that they have any obligation to assist researchers but they do their best for everyone within reason.
Put yourself in their shoes !
They are extremely talented nd helpfl however they are quite a small office ( 4 or 5 people).
For this reason, if contacting them with a query, try and frame your question so that it can be answered with a quick email or phone call.
As far as I know, their main function is to professionally archive military material.
I don't think that they have any obligation to assist researchers but they do their best for everyone within reason.
Put yourself in their shoes !
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Armed Forces / Re: help identifying uniform in photo
« on: Sunday 27 January 08 22:57 GMT (UK) »
A quick read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Denis_O'Donnell confirms this !
Looks like he wrote a history of Clancy Bks for the Cosantoir ( Irish for Defender) which is the official magazine of the Irish DF.
The article was writen between 1969 and 1973. If you were to write to the current editor of the Coasantoir Magazine, Defence Forces HQ, Infirmary Road Dublin, they might be able to send you on a photocopy of the article.
To my mind, the collar insignia does look very like a harp with a scroll below it.
On a different note ( I am new here !), is it normal that references to names of people and places in an earlier post of mine now seem to have been invaded by ads for Amazon
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Looks like he wrote a history of Clancy Bks for the Cosantoir ( Irish for Defender) which is the official magazine of the Irish DF.
The article was writen between 1969 and 1973. If you were to write to the current editor of the Coasantoir Magazine, Defence Forces HQ, Infirmary Road Dublin, they might be able to send you on a photocopy of the article.
To my mind, the collar insignia does look very like a harp with a scroll below it.
On a different note ( I am new here !), is it normal that references to names of people and places in an earlier post of mine now seem to have been invaded by ads for Amazon
?
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Armed Forces / Re: help identifying uniform in photo
« on: Sunday 27 January 08 22:46 GMT (UK) »
I'm fairly sure that the Irish Military Historian Comdt P.D. O'Donnell who died just a few years ago wrote a history of Island Bridge (Clancy) Barracks.
This would contain a complete history of all of the British and later Irish Units to serve there.
This would contain a complete history of all of the British and later Irish Units to serve there.
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Armed Forces / Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« on: Sunday 27 January 08 16:44 GMT (UK) »No idea who the guy is but the Sam Brown, long boots and FF (Fianna Fail) brass cap badge indicates he's an Irish Army Officer.
NCO'c (non commissioned officers) wear ankle boots and a belt without the shoulder strap.
The Irish Defense Forces personnell still wear the same badge on their caps and the same pattern is also on uniform buttons.
'Oglaig na hEireann'. In gaelic means 'The Irish Volunteers'
Oglaig > (soldier) volunteer.
'na hEireann' > of Ireland.
Kamila's information is spot on.
From www.military.ie
The Defence Forces' Badge
The Badge design (common to all Corps and services and all orders of dress) is derived from the badge of the Irish Volunteers.
The Badge originally adopted by the Irish Volunteers October 1914 as the official badge of the organisation. The Centrepiece is formed of the letters "FF". These letters signify "Fianna Fáil". The word "Fianna" is the name of the ancient military organisation (Circa 3rd Century A.D.) forming what then corresponded to the standing army of the country. The word "Fáil" means "Destiny". One of the ancient names of Ireland was "Innisfail" (The Isle of Destiny) and "Fianna Fáil" thus signifies the "Fianna (or Army) of Ireland".
The two letters are surrounded by a representation of an ancient warriors sword belt and a circle of flames which represent the "Sunburst" – the traditional battle symbol of the Fianna. The words "Óglaigh na hÉireann" inscribed around the sword belt mean "Soldiers of Ireland". No particular significance is attached to the representation of the star which was included to balance the design.
If you mail a copy of the photo to Irish Defence Forces Military Archives in Cathal Brugha Barracks. Rathmines Dublin 6, Telephone: + 353 (0) 1 8046457, I am sure that they will be able to assist very quickly in identifying the rank marking. Ranks and appointments were very confused in those days. Generals in the new army were often in their early 20s !!! Dashing out now but can supply further info later if required.
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Armed Forces / Re: help identifying uniform in photo
« on: Sunday 27 January 08 10:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone,
This is my first post here so I'd better make a wish !
The photograph was taken in Inchicore Dublin?
The mearest Barracks to Inchicore would have ben Islandbridge Barracks later known as Clancy Barracks and now being redeveloped having been sold by the DoD to a property developer in the last year or so. From defence.ie:
CLANCY BARRACKS
Clancy Barracks, formerly known as Islandbridge Barracks, dates from about 1857. It is sited on the south bank of the river Liffey and close to one of the most westerly of Dublin city's bridges, Islandbridge, formerly known as Sarah Bridge. The barracks has had a long association with artillery, cavalry, and ordnance.
The barracks was taken over by the Irish Army on the 15th December 1922 when a rifle company commanded by Captain Condon was sent to take over Islandbridge Barracks. In that Company was Captain Robert Fitzgerald who was the first Officer Commanding.
It was renamed Clancy Barracks in 1942 after Peader Clancy, a County Clare man killed during the War of Independence in 1920.
The barracks has been associated with various military events including the Crimean War, the Boer War, World War 1, and the 1916 rising.
As far as I know, the Queens Dragoon Guards were based there around 1870, but regiments in those days would have changed around in Irish Barracks every few years. There is a picture of an Adjutants Parade at the Barracks at http://www.qdg.org.uk/shop/qdg.php/products_id/664?osCsid=1c23fff685a4197800b37f799c6525f0 .
Hope this helps !
This is my first post here so I'd better make a wish !
The photograph was taken in Inchicore Dublin?
The mearest Barracks to Inchicore would have ben Islandbridge Barracks later known as Clancy Barracks and now being redeveloped having been sold by the DoD to a property developer in the last year or so. From defence.ie:
CLANCY BARRACKS
Clancy Barracks, formerly known as Islandbridge Barracks, dates from about 1857. It is sited on the south bank of the river Liffey and close to one of the most westerly of Dublin city's bridges, Islandbridge, formerly known as Sarah Bridge. The barracks has had a long association with artillery, cavalry, and ordnance.
The barracks was taken over by the Irish Army on the 15th December 1922 when a rifle company commanded by Captain Condon was sent to take over Islandbridge Barracks. In that Company was Captain Robert Fitzgerald who was the first Officer Commanding.
It was renamed Clancy Barracks in 1942 after Peader Clancy, a County Clare man killed during the War of Independence in 1920.
The barracks has been associated with various military events including the Crimean War, the Boer War, World War 1, and the 1916 rising.
As far as I know, the Queens Dragoon Guards were based there around 1870, but regiments in those days would have changed around in Irish Barracks every few years. There is a picture of an Adjutants Parade at the Barracks at http://www.qdg.org.uk/shop/qdg.php/products_id/664?osCsid=1c23fff685a4197800b37f799c6525f0 .
Hope this helps !
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