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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Stuart and Cass surnames Netherthong Yorkshire
« on: Monday 07 March 11 16:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

I looked for him also and the only Michael that comes up is this one

St Mary Magdalen (in The Bail),  Lincoln
 
Michael Cass 50
Mary Cass 65  [if you look at the origional census page she is age 45  transcriber mistake
Jane Cass 20
Elizabeth Cass 10
Michael Cass 5
Margaret Langton Cass 5
Hannah Cass 5
Eliza Cass 3
Harriet Cass 4 MO
 
HO107/651/10 9 p 13

 These are my Wm Cass's parents...

This census has me really confused as there are 3 children age 5 in it... But Michael Cass is their son he married a Sarah Chapman and died in 2nd quarter of 1894...so its not Wm's and Rebecca's son Jmaes Michael.

Maybe the census taker made a mistake in the 1841 census... I looked at the origional page and there is Rachel as big as life... am going back and look at the census pages 1 before and 1 after also and see if there is another Rachel on them

Maybe they got to talking and he forgot to put the rest of the info down on them so he just made the name up or something..or he met a Rachel and she was on his mind when he was doing their census info?.. I have worn my eyes out looking for a Rachel Cass and there just isn't any record for her...

Am in one of the sites that Dave told me about and there is no Rachel there...either down as Stuart Steward Stewart Cass. Nothing on the IGI either.

I guess the census taker might have made a mistake there.... don't know

The names and ages for Wm and Rebecca fit and the occupation of Wm and all 3 not br in County fit
Just the name and sex of the child is different.

Maybe I am on a wild goose chase here with Rachel Cass.

Sharon


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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Stuart and Cass surnames Netherthong Yorkshire
« on: Monday 07 March 11 14:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dave

I guess I didn't word my post right as what I need to know was the areas to search for info.  Not being from there I was at a lost as to locations to search for info.  Thats why I put what I knew about the family in the post.  Hoping that someone would say "Hey go here to look for info"  Which you kindly did.
It was the searching on internet to the right places and not running around in circles cause I was lost

Thankfully you were able to provide me some insight on where to look re names of locations. 
I now have a general idea of where to search. 

I know about the LDS Librarys as I use to use the one in the next town however I am sorta housebound at this time due to husbands health issues the last 2 yrs its not possible for me to get out as much as I use to  We go to hospital quite alot anymore and then back home.

So I thank you very much for taking the time to read my post and telling me of the places that I can start to look via the internet.

Have a good day there and enjoy your week

Am off to searching now Thank you

Sharon swtx

 

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Stuart and Cass surnames Netherthong Yorkshire
« on: Sunday 06 March 11 20:37 GMT (UK)  »
I live in Texas USA and have been wondering around Yorkshire for hrs trying to find out some information.... I am on the right board that I do know finally.

What I am looking for are possible births/deaths of some of children br to Wm Cass and Rebecca Stuart.  Rebecca was from Netherthong and Wm was from Malton Yorkshire .

Wm came from a family of stone masons... his father Michael was one.  He was a brick-layer between 1814 and 1816 in Old Malton, Yorks.  He was a mason in 1818 in New Malton
and his grandfather Anthony Cass * was born in Aug 1751 in New Malton, Yorkshire.(1) date estimate from baptism of son He died in 1825.(1)  I am not sure if he was or not.

Wm was a stone mason till the day he died in Kansas USA.

In Wm Cass's obit of Feb 1888 in Kansas USA it stated that he had 10 children br to him only 3 were living when he died...

We have 6 names of known children br to them... 1 child was br in Netherthong and the rest were br in Lincolnshire where they lived till they left England and went to Canada where another child was br there in 1857.

The child br in Netherthong was son James Michael Cass 

Micah Cass bp 5 Nov 1837 Netherthong, York
son of William & Rebekah Cass

In the 1841 census Wm and Rebecca were found here with a child named Rachel age 5

St Paul (in The Bail) Lincoln

William Cass 20
Rebecca Cass 20
Rachel Cass 5
 
William was a stone mason in this census all were not br in the county.

 However by 1844 they were living in Lincolnshire till they came to Canada where a son was br in 1857 then in the US census of 1860 he and family were in New York State.  Hence the other known children were born there in Lincolnshire.

I have worn myself out looking for any info re this child Rachel Cass in the 1841 census and cannot find anything on her anywhere... she is not in the 1851 census nor other census's.

Rebecca Cass nee Stuart was br to this family and they were evidently no conformists

Rebecka Stewart is listed on the LDS site as being Chr at the Wesleyan Church on 25 June 1815
father Robert Stewart and mother Rebecka LDS Ref C088061

Siblings of Rebecka

Jane Stuart chr 15 July 1810
Ann Stuart chr 31 JAN 1813
Robert Stuert chr 03 MAY 1818
Susannah Stuart chr 26 SEP 1820
James Abraham Stewart chr 05 MAY 1822

Is this why I cannot find anything on Rachel Cass?  The records are not online?

Also there is a 6 year gap between the son James Michael br 1836 and his next sibling Robert T Cass br 1844 Lincolnshire that those 4 children might have been born and died in.  I can find nothing in Lincolnshire re Cass children br to them other than the other 4 br there that we know of and am thinking that they were born in Yorkshire.

These are the known children of Wm Cass and Rebecca Cass nee Stuart

James Michael aka Michael br Netherthong York 1837

Then almost 7 yrs later

Robert T br 1844 Lincolnshire
Mary R br 1846 Lincolnshire
Emma Jane br 1848 Lincolnshire
Wm H br 1852 Lincolnshire

Then almost 5 yrs later

Frederick W br 1857 Canada

At this time I do not know when they entered Canada from the UK and am trying to find some ship records for that so far nothing not very sharp about searching Canada yet... am learning tho

Can anyone tell me where to go look next?

Thank you
Sharon swtx







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The Common Room / Re: American Murder about 1930?
« on: Wednesday 11 August 10 17:05 BST (UK)  »
I want to thank everyone on this board that helped to contributed ideas and information found to Letitia's story. 

Without the help and new set of eyes and ideas it would have been harder to find things and end Letitia's story.

You guys have been a tremendous help and I think that Letitia had a big hand in this also.

 I am going to miss you guys   :'(

Take care and God Bless

Sharon

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The Common Room / Re: American Murder about 1930?
« on: Tuesday 10 August 10 04:57 BST (UK)  »
Part 2 of my previous post

Dorothy Green Gatto's obit

I found her obit on Ancestry of all places

Name: Dorothy Green Gatto   Other relation: Dorothy Richards   Birth: abt 1919   Death: 08/02/2006   Publication: 22 Aug 2006 in New Bern, NC, Us   
Locations Mentioned in Obituary: New Bern
Dallas, TX
Plano, TX
Kingsland, TX
McKeesport, PA
Butler, PA
 
 
Obituaries
August 22,2006
SUN JOURNAL STAFF
Dorothy Green Gatto

KINGSLAND, Texas ??? Dorothy Green Gatto, 87, formerly of New Bern, died Wednesday, Aug. 2, 2006, at the home of her granddaughter in Plano, Texas.

Born in Butler, Pa., she was employed by Montgomery Ward from 1973 to 1981. She lived in New Bern until 1994, when she moved to Texas to be with her daughter and granddaughter.

A memorial service will be held at a later date.

She is survived by one daughter, Dorothy Richards of McKeesport, Pa.; four grandchildren; and one great-grandchild.

Arrangements by Heritage Cremation Service, Dallas, Texas.

Dorothy and Evelyn were very good friends.... when Donald Seffy got cancer he called Evelyn to come and help take care of him so she and Dorothy went to Pennsylvania and took care of him till they had to go back to NC as Donald didn't have anyone to take care of him so they had to put him in a nursing home and then they got Dorothys son Edwin to come to the nursing home every day to ck on him and shave him ect...   Dorothy was married 3 times. evelyn didn't say what her 2nd husbands name was

Evelyn said that neither James /Jim as she called him or Dorothy never talked much about their childhood... she said when Jim and her were married they would go up to Butler to visit my GGrandmother Kate Naylor who Jim knowing that she was not his grandmother still called her granny twice a yr till she died.    She said Jim always wanted to know if G-Granny had any pictures of his mother as he never had one.  She said that Letitia was a good woman and Jim loved his mother dearly.  Evelyn and Jim never did have any children but she is in close contact with Dorothy's daughter Dorothy and will call her tomorrow and tell her of my call to her. 

Evelyn married again in 2000 and still lives in New Bern NC  She said she is blessed to have had 2 marriages with good men. 

So thats it with Letitia Ellard Pye Green... her story is told now and I think her spirit can rest.  I guess she got tired of me looking for her murder all these and there wasn't one... so she decided to let me know what happen in the end.

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The Common Room / Re: American Murder about 1930?
« on: Tuesday 10 August 10 04:55 BST (UK)  »
James Green's widow Evelyn called me tonight... my phone call paid off and we talked for 2 hrs.... nice sweet lady.

Letitia wanted her story told and I think we now have it...

She was not murdered as Aunt Irene told me... I do have proof of that with my notes from the mid 1960s that I will scan and put on this message board to show that was what she told me...Why she said that I don't know ecept that maybe that was what she [Irene]  thought happen  when Letitia got the stroke and died from it at age 45 cause she was a single mother trying to raise 2 children and to her James Henry Green Sr was the murderer.  Who knows....

Letty died in 1934 in Pittsburgh she had a stroke and laid for 10 days before she died Evelyn told me. They don't know where she was buried as it was a public grave as there was no money.  She was a domestic in a private home and also baked pies for the big hotels in Pittsburgh to help keep the family togeather.  when James was 10 he was hit by a car and the fender cut his face really bad and he was weeks in hospital and had over 100 stitches in his face there was a settlement of over 10,000 dollars paid out to him but the money disappeared...

She divorced James Green because he drank and was an alcholic... When she died the kids were placed in the foster care system and lived with a Miss or Mrs Barbara Deedson [sp] for a yr till she got sick and couldn't care for them  She took foster kids in to her house and took care of them... She was a neighbor of the Steffys and she asked them to take care of them as James was good friends with their son Donald.  Donald and James remained friends for life... James also called Donald's mother Mother as he was very close to her.  

Evidently Letitia told her children something of the Ellards but she said that James knew the name but not how he knew it... Letitia is down on his birth certificate as Letitia Pye.   James Green sr died someime after 1945 as that was the last time they saw him  He really never came around after they divorced  He was an alcholic to the end  His home was the bars She did say they found him one time and gave him clothes and money and told him they would be back next week  When they came back next week he was gone  The bartender told them that the minute they left he was out the door to sell the clothes they gave him and drank all the money and that was the last time they ever saw him.  No idea when he died or where he was buried at.  He told them that he had a brother and a uncle only and when they went back to Butler one time they met some of his family and found out he had 11 other siblings... Guess he was the black sheep of the family.

Dorothy   Letitia's daughter   went into service when she turned 16 as that age back then 16 was considered being out of foster care and you took care of yourself  She worked for a Jewish family in Pittsburgh and met her first husband through them  He was Edwin Richardson.  They had a daughter and son  The son died in 1995 or 94 96 in Pittsburgh Pa  He was married and had 3 daughters.  He was a nurse and helped to take care of Donald Seffy when he was dying of stomach cancer.  Her   daughter Dorothy also is alive and lives in Pennsylvania    Edwin's mother was a Judge in Pennsylvania.   Dorothy married 2 more times the last time to Paul Gatto.  She died in Texas in  2006 at her granddaughters home in Plano Texas.  

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The Common Room / Re: American Murder about 1930?
« on: Tuesday 10 August 10 00:58 BST (UK)  »
Have a good nights rest 

Thank you for all your help
Appriciate it alot

Sharon

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The Common Room / Re: American Murder about 1930?
« on: Tuesday 10 August 10 00:45 BST (UK)  »
Yes that would be Peter wife [Dorothy]  If the husband is dead then it has the wifes name and widow of so and so in them at least the older ones do.   I wonder if that was her husbands name?  I am trying to find out where to get an obit for her in Texas... Texas I found out wants 20 dollars for a death certificate.... thats alot for one.

I found out where to get the obit for Donald  I need to go to

McKeesport Heritage Center http://www.mckeesportheritage.org/   They have the McKeesport Daily News from it's start

I wonder if they would have anything on Letitia  I will ask about her also...   

 

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The Common Room / Re: American Murder about 1930?
« on: Tuesday 10 August 10 00:06 BST (UK)  »
well the computer room looks like a toronato hit it.... I went looking in my plastic boxes and found the Holden box.... found my G-aunt Irene's stuff and in it was her address pages... on the one page is the following

Dorothy A Gatto
2-M-New Bern Towers
New Bern NC 28560

down a few names is this

Mrs and Mrs James Green
2703 Trent Road
New Bern NC 28562

Same address as in the obit...   I haven't looked at that suff in years... forgot about it till I was outside replanting my little lemon tree that the dogs dug up abit ago .... [its outside the yard now]

So Dorothy A Gatto would be the one.    Kingsland Texas is about 2-3 hrs away from me...

Off to that rootsweb message board to see what they can tell me about getting her obit.

Thanks again for the new info on Dorothy...

Looks like Lettie is on the move again...lets hope she gets to where she is going this time...

Sharon



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