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Kent / Re: Gravesend Relatives
« on: Monday 14 March 22 17:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Marla,

I am one of your living relatives.  I live in Kent, although not Gravesend.  We are both descended from Thomas Smith and Mary Emery, George Alfred Smith's great grandparents.  Thomas and Mary were both from villages SE of Maidstone, Kent (Ulcombe and Frittenden respectively).  I can see you are a DNA match to my uncle, Brian Tassell on Ancestry.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Mail Coach Yard in Shoreditch 1851?
« on: Thursday 11 March 21 13:21 GMT (UK)  »
I'm back, 13 years later and after much poring over old maps and digging into all my ancestors records I think I've solved it, or at least can proffer an explanation.

The place seems to start life as Leg of Mutton Gardens, between Huntingdon and Hoxton Road (and later Caroline Place) - in fact I haven't been able to find a map with Leg of Mutton Yard as the name! 

I have screenshots of maps from 1818, 1830, 1837 and 1843 - all shown as Leg of Mutton Gardens and both John Lockie and Edward Mogg's street directories from 1810 have it listed as Leg of Mutton Gardens
 https://londonwiki.co.uk/Lockie1810/Lockie1810L.shtml

So it seems officially, and therefore on the 1841 and 1851 census, it's Leg of Mutton Gardens/Yard.

But colloquially, by the people who live there,  it always seems to be referred to as Mail Coach Yard.  My earliest mention is a marriage in 1827, a death in 1834 and then many baptisms and deaths from 1845 onwards.

Then on the 1861 census and on Edward Meller's map from 1868 the 'official' name is updated to Mail Coach Yard - which is in exactly the same place as Leg of Mutton Gardens.
http://london1868.com/weller32b.htm

Hope this helps everyone confused by the changing name.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Quarantine Ship SS Bendigo 1933
« on: Sunday 28 April 19 15:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, I have Ancestry subscription so I'll check those out

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Quarantine Ship SS Bendigo 1933
« on: Saturday 27 April 19 15:15 BST (UK)  »
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but does anyone know of passenger list records for the return journey?  ie Australia to UK

I have a postcard in my collection of the SS Bendigo and my grandmother has written on the back that they returned to the UK from Malta on this ship in 1935.  I can see that the route was via Malta and the Suez from 1929 so that fits.

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Kent / Re: My surname interests in Brenchley
« on: Friday 23 February 18 18:51 GMT (UK)  »
I have just found I'm descended from Saxbys in Brenchley.  Earliest I have is John Saxby (b 1729) son of William.  I believe John married Elizabeth Muddle and I'm descended from their son Stephen (b1758)

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Kent / Re: Clothier
« on: Saturday 28 October 17 12:06 BST (UK)  »
Thanks - pretty sure one of mine was later referred to as a Yeoman - so will give that a read - thanks for sharing

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Kent / Re: Clothier
« on: Friday 27 October 17 09:24 BST (UK)  »
Just to add - I have some in mine too.

Hennekers around Charing/Pluckley/Leeds area in the 1600's
So far one Clothier and several Cordwainers

Makes a change from centuries of Ag Labs!

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Mail Coach Yard in Shoreditch 1851?
« on: Sunday 13 January 08 17:16 GMT (UK)  »
No clarity I'm afraid - just confirmation of the weirdness.

In the 1851 census two Paget families are also living in Leg of Mutton Lane - William (wid) and James & Sarah.  William has a son, also William, born 1842 and his birth cert says Mail Coach Yard.

Similarly in 1861 James & Sarah are living at 9 Mail Coach Yard

and William (b1842) is lodging with David Thacker at 5 Mail Coach Yard

Looks like our families were neighbours!

Hmmm - just searched on the 1841 census and finally found William and James in Leg of Mutton Lane (no thanks to some very dodgy transcribing).  James is married to Sarah.  William is married to Ann(a) and they have two children, Mary and William.  Which is odd because I have the birth cert for another William born in 1842 ??  Perhaps the first William child died and they had another....

So could it be that both Mail Coach Yard and Leg of Mutton Yard were used interchangeably until 1861?

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