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Surrey / Re: William Ratcliffe 1774 Hampton Wick & Peter Ratcliff of Dorking Any Connection?

« on: Saturday 29 November 25 08:55 GMT (UK) »

Thank you for your reply.

I downloaded a copy of the will for Henry Rose proved in 1784. As you have indicated it mentions his grandchildren Jane William and Henry Radcliff. Henry also refers to 'My daughter Mary Radcliff wife of Peter Radcliff'. Tantalisingly it doesn't say where they were living at the time and that is the bit of detail I have hoping to find to establish that the Peter and Mary Ratcliff of Dorking are the parents of William Ratcliff of Hampton Wick.

I have looked at the Kingston rate books and although I have found references to Ratcliff there is no Christian name or other detail. So it hasn't given haven't had the confidence to confirm that it is the Peter Ratcliff that I am looking for. The nearest to a link that I have found is this reference:

1786 Thames Street, Proprietor Henry Rose, occupiers Ratcliff and others.

I not aware of any other tenement records or documents that I can check on line.

Thanks again for you help I appreciate it.

Surrey / Re: Searching for the forebears of William Ratcliffe of Hampton Wick

« on: Wednesday 26 November 25 21:03 GMT (UK) »

Wonderful. Thank you for the quick reply. The Allegation advice and information is very helpful. I will follow it up.
T.R.

Surrey / Searching for the forebears of William Ratcliffe of Hampton Wick

« on: Wednesday 26 November 25 07:58 GMT (UK) »

Can someone please help me to break through my brick wall?

For many years I have met with a brick wall in establishing the origin William Ratcliffe of Hampton Wick, Surrey. Is he the son of Peter and Mary Ratcliff of Dorking? I haven't been able to confirm or disprove this connection.

William Ratcliffe 1774 - 1835:
The Dorking Parish Registers has the baptism of a William the son of Peter and Mary Ratcliff occurring on 01.05.1774.

My William Ratcliffe married Elizabeth Mary Marshall by Licence on 17.01.1797 at St Marys Hampton.
I have details of their children and that William was nominated as Constable in 1805 (vestry minutes unsighted) and elected Headborough of Hampton Wick from 1805 to 1812 (Hampton Court Manor Rolls unsighted). William also appears in the Hampton Wick rate books.
William was buried at St Marys Hampton on 11.01.1835. William and Mary’s children were baptised at Kingston On Thames.
However, I have no firm evidence that My William, is the son of his parents Peter and Mary Ratcliff of Dorking and the bother of their other children; Jane, Peter, Henry, and another Henry.

Peter Ratcliff 1745 – Abt 1788?:
In 1760 A Peter Ratcliff of Dorking was Apprenticed to Will Risbridger, Clockmaker of Dorking 26.11.1760.
A Peter Ratcliff appears in the Rate books for Chipping Borough but after 1771 there is a 30-year gap in the Dorking rate books.
A Peter Ratcliffe is mentioned in the Courts Leet Oct 1772-73 and as a juror and as a Headman.
Peter Ratcliff and his wife Mary, (the daughter of Henry Rose of Kingston On Thames) appear as beneficiaries in the will of Henry Rose, Coal Merchant, buried 19.12.1784 Kingston On Thames.
Also mentioned in the will are Henry’s grandchildren: Jane Ratcliff, William Ratcliff and Henry Ratcliff.
I haven’t located the burial records of Peter or Mary in Dorking. Perhaps there was a move to Kingston On Thames but I haven’t been able to confirm it.

The burial of Peter Ratcliff or his wife Mary may provide a clue but I haven't been find it.

Request please:
Although there 'seems' to be connection between William of Hampton Wick and Dorking, for many years I have been searching to prove or disprove that connection. Perhaps someone can suggest how I can approach this problem and break down my brick wall. I will certainly appreciate it.

Regards.

Trevor

Surrey Lookup Requests / 1841 Census Kingston Union Workhouse

« on: Monday 19 May 25 08:24 BST (UK) »

I am hoping to confirm the origin of Henry Ratcliffe, aged 70, a Miller, who appears in the 1841 census as a resident in the Kingston Union Workhouse. I haven’t been able to find any further information about him.
Is this Henry the same Henry Ratcliff who was baptised at Kingston On Thames 17.11.1775? This Henry is a G G G Uncle of mine.
The ages don’t quite match but there may have been a miscalculation. I am hoping that further information, if it exists, will help to confirm further details about my family.

An Elizabeth Ratcliffe, a servant, aged 20 and her daughter aged 2 years were also resident in the same Workhouse at time of the 1841. I have no other information about them and whether they are related to me.
I am hoping that someone can help me to solve this this riddle.

Surrey / William Ratcliffe 1774 Hampton Wick & Peter Ratcliff of Dorking Any Connection?

« on: Saturday 17 May 25 08:27 BST (UK) »

William Ratcliffe of Hampton Wick and Peter Ratcliff of Dorking
For many years I have met with a brick wall in establishing the origin William Ratcliffe of Hampton Wick, Surrey. Is he the son of Peter and Mary Ratcliff of Dorking?
William Ratclife 1774 - 1835:
The Dorking Parish Registers has the baptism of a William the son of Peter and Mary Ratcliff occurring on 01.05.1774.
My William Ratcliffe married Elizabeth Mary Marshall by Licence on 17.01.1797 at St Marys Hampton.
I have details of their children and that William was nominated as Constable in 1805 (vestry minutes unsighted) and elected Headborough of Hampton Wick from 1805 to 1812 (Hampton Court Manor Rolls unsighted). William also appears in the Hampton Wick rate books. William was buried at St Marys Hampton on 11.01.1835. William and Mary’s children were baptised at Kingston On Thames.
However, I have no firm evidence that My William, is the son of his parents Peter and Mary Ratcliff of Dorking and the bother of their other children; Jane, Peter, Henry, and another Henry.

Peter Ratcliff 1745 – Abt 1788?:
In 1760 A Peter Ratcliff of Dorking was Apprenticed to Will Risbridger, Clockmaker of Dorking 26.11.1760.
A Peter Ratcliff appears in the Rate books for Chipping Borough but after 1771 there is a 30-year gap in the Dorking rate books.
A Peter Ratcliffe is mentioned in the Courts Leet Oct 1772-73 and as a juror and as a Headman.
Peter Ratcliff and his wife Mary, (the daughter of Henry Rose of Kingston On Thames) appear as beneficiaries in the will of Henry Rose, Coal Merchant, buried 19.12.1784 Kingston On Thames.
Also mentioned in the will are Henry’s grandchildren: Jane Ratcliff, William Ratcliff and Henry Ratcliff.
I haven’t located the burial records of Peter or Mary in Dorking. Perhaps there was a move to Kingston On Thames but I haven’t been able to confirm it.
Request:
Although there seems to be connection between William of Hampton Wick and Dorking, for many years I have been searching to prove or disprove that connection. Perhaps someone can suggest how I can approach this problem and break down my brick wall. I will certainly appreciate it.

The Common Room / Re: Clockmakers

« on: Sunday 14 April 24 07:06 BST (UK) »

I see that there is an old post (2006) requesting information about Thomas Wright a clockmaker of Dorking.

I have also been searching for information about a Dorking Clockmaker.

My search for information has about Peter Ratcliffe. Peter Ratcliffe of Dorking was cited in ‘Brightwells Militaria Antiques and Fine Art’ auction catalogue as the maker of am 18C mahogany long case clock which was to have been auctioned.

I have since found that Peter Ratcliffe was apprenticed to the well known Dorking Clockmaker William Risbridger. My source for that piece o information was the 'UK Register of duties paid for Apprentices’ Indentures 1759-1761.'

I wonder whether Thomas Wright may have also had an association with William Risbridger.

Incidentally William Risbridger had a business relationship with John Aylward and William married, Elizabeth Aylward at Teddington. My source for that is the Clocks Magazine 2009 article Aylward and Risbridger).

I hope that this info is not too out of date to help you in your search.

Trevor.

Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: Ratcliffe of Kingston on Thames, Hampton and Possibly Dorking

« on: Thursday 27 October 11 04:19 BST (UK) »

Hello Valda.

I apologise for not responding sooner. The automatic alert that I have a Rootschat message doesn't seem to be working.

Thank you for your detailed message about the possible Ratcliffe / Dorking connection. it has obviously taken time to research and prepare your reply. I am grateful. Thank you.

Your informatin has helped to flesh out some of the details. In relation to the St Boltolph baptism of Ann, there was a baptisn of an Anne at Dorking in 1748 and a Sarah was baptised in 1744. These fit with Peter's baptism in 1745 and they seem to be his siblings

As you have indicated the baptism date for Henry and the age which is given at the burial of a Henry in 1846 seem to be in conflict. I don't know what to make of that.

I don't know what occupation William was in. He was elected Headborough for a few years but I don't know whether this would have provided a livlihood for him and his family. he would have needed some other occupatin for the time that he was not the Headborough. The Peter who lived in Dorking had, in 1769, property to th value of 4 pounds, so wealth wasn't a feature of the family.

I had come across a marriage of Henry Ratcliffe and Sarah Spong. As a matter of interest, there is a posibility that their daughter Sarah (baptised 1808) was convicted at the Old Bailey on 9 May 1836 and transported to Van Dieman's land for a term of 7 years.

If the burial place of Peter and Mary Ratcliffe could be determined, that would confirm, one way or the other, a move from Dorking to Kingston On Thames. It is tantalising that so many pieces seem to fit around that proposition.

Again, thank you for helping me.

Regards

T.R.

Surrey Lookup Requests / Ratcliffe of Kingston on Thames, Hampton and Possibly Dorking

« on: Sunday 23 October 11 06:58 BST (UK) »

I am searching for the birthplace of William Ratcliffe. I have posted a similar request before but I have added a little more information here.

William Ratcliffe married to Mary Marshall by licence at Hampton, 17.1.1797. They were of that parish but the licence does not give a birthplace for bride or groom. Their children were baptised at Kingston on Thames.

William Ratcliffe was elected as Headborough for Hampton Wick for several years 1806 - 1812 and nominated as constable in 1805.

William was probably buried at St Marys, Hampton on 11.1.1834 at the age of 62 years. The burial of his wife Mary took place there in 1811. There are no cemetery headstones for Ratcliffe at St Marys.

The IGI suggests approx 1772 as the birth year (probably an approximate based on the marriage date and the licence) but the closest baptism record on the IGI is 1774 at Dorking (this would fit with the age at death).
Looking for other possible connections, the IGI has a Henry Ratcliffe, baptised at Kingston on Thames on 7.11.1775. Henry was the son of son of Peter and Mary Ratcliffe. No other children for Peter and Mary are recorded at Kingston On Thames. However, on 1.5.1774, a William Ratcliffe, son of Peter and Mary Ratcliffe was baptised at Dorking (there are no later baptisms for the children of Peter and Mary at Dorking). This could suggest that the family moved from Dorking to Kingston On Thames. However, I have not been able to confirm this.
I have not found where Peter and Mary Ratcliffe were buried and I have found no other information to connect Henry R. of Kingston On Thames (1775) and William R. of Dorking (1774).

I haven't been able to find the birthplace of William’s wife, Mary Marshall. Again the IGI points to a baptism at Dorking on 2.2.1769 (she would have then been aged 28 at the time of marriage).

Coincidentally(?), a Peter Ratclif and Mary Rose married in 1769 at Southwark. In 1797 a daughter of William R. and Mary was named Mary Rose Ratcliffe.
Although I am inclined towards Dorking, as the birthplace of William R., I would, very much, like to establish whether or not that is correct. I know of no reason why the family would move from Dorking to the area of Kingston on Thames.

Can anyone suggest how I might confirm or otherwise determine the birthplace of William Ratcliffe?

Regards

T.R.

Surrey / Re: Ratcliffe, of Hampton 1772-1834 was Dorking the birthplace

« on: Tuesday 25 January 11 01:59 GMT (UK) »

Jane

Thank you for your reply and for checking the Ratcliffe name at Dorking for me.

The witnesses to the 1797, Hampton, marriage of William Ratcliffe and Mary Marshall were Roger Marshall (possibly a relative of Mary) and Jane Sudbury.

I haven't found a reference to either witness in the IGI.

My regards

T.R.