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1911 refers to George Smith with first wife & family. He is with in-laws, her parents.

She was another Mary Ann b 1888 nee Bays

Thanks very much Cas, that makes sense now and things a lot clearer  ;D

You`ve been a great help  ;D

Steve

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I mentioned son Albert in 1939, who has Stanley Smith living in his household. Who is also with this family in 1921

This is the 1921 info for Mary Ann Smith living Cambridgeshire with husband George William Smith

Name   Mary Ann Smith
Gender   Female
Marital Status   Married
Age   49 Years 4 Months
Relation to Head   Wife
Estimated Birth Year   1872
Birth Place   Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Residence Date   1921

The 1911 has different details for wife Mary Ann bc 1888, nee Bays

So George William Smith died between 1921 - 1939

Cas

Many thanks Cas and PatLac for your replies, really grateful for your continued help and interest  ;D

You are quite correct Cas regarding reply #25, sincere apologies but I missed that amongst all the interaction that was going on.

Unfortunately, I do not have subscription to Ancestry but will attend the local library at the next convenient time to access their version of FindMyPast. I now have the census details you supplied in your reply so downloading a copy from their resources should be straight forward.

I already have a copy of the 1911 census for Mary Ann Parfery, she is listed as a 41 year old Widow living at Swing Brow, Chatteris with her 6 children. Listed as Home Duties but Not Known where born.

Not sure about the 1888 and nee Bayes you mention in your reply though. The Mary Ann I am looking for was Tabor before Parfery and born circa 1870.

Steve

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Thanks Steve, btw what was George's occupation?  ;D


Don`t know is the answer. The George W Smith with Mary Ann in Welney on the 1921 Census and 1939 register are not the correct couple.

Thought to date there was no mention on any records of the George W Smith who married Mary Ann Parfery in 1919.

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Cambridgeshire / Re: Trying to find a Smith death, would appreciate some help please.
« on: Wednesday 23 April 25 22:33 BST (UK)  »
Just to report back that the George W Smith who died in St Ives in 1930 aged 78 reference number 3b 240..........is not our man.........this one was a retired Coal Merchant.


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Have searched FreeBMD for potential George W Smith deaths between 1921 and 1939 in the Cambridgeshire area.

Attached is a screenshot with my calculations of estimated year of birth written in pen. The death in September quarter of 1930 in St Ives would possibly be the best option considering the location given for Mary Ann Smiths death.

Steve

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Many thanks PatLac and Cas for your replies, you have both been very busy on my behalf and I am very grateful  ;D

I am fairly happy going with date of birth 1871 because of the christening record. I did try to order a digital death certificate for Mary Ann Smith, unfortunately a digital version is not available at present only a certificate ( see screenshot ).

Steve

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99% refers to the possibilty that she died September., as per FreeBDM UK website.

I wasn't able to access the GRO index for that year but now I have managed it.

Name:   Age at Death (in years): 
   SMITH, MARY  ANN     73 
GRO Reference: 1944  S Quarter in ST. IVES  Volume 03B  Page 270

Many thanks for your latest reply......so intriguing.....I have checked the 1939 register for Bertie Cooper and family, they continued to breed well........entry number 14 for the household a Mary Ann Smith living there too, a retired O.A.P listed as a widow with a date of birth given 22nd Mar 72.

What do you think?


Steve

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Hi again Steve C,

So you are definitely interested in Mary Ann Tabor, right?

I have noticed some interesting things about her. First son, Luke, was registered in 1893 in Spalding, Lincolnshire, as Luke Fuller Tabor, no mother's maiden name on GRO. Later on he married (4 times!) and died as Luke Parfrey.

She had many children with George Parfery (Parfrey), but one of them Violet May Parfery, was born in 1911 after George's death and before her marriage to George W Smith (1919). Is she her daughter? I'm assuming she is because of her place of birth, North Witchford, and mother's maiden surname, Tabor. Unfortunately she died that same year.

Based on the other children's marriages and offspring (daughter Florence May married Bertie Cooper and their latest children were born in St. Ives in mid 1930s), and considering Mary Ann's DOB 1871, I think this could be her death

Deaths Sep 1944   (>99%)
Smith    Mary A    73    St. Ives    3b   270

Thank you very much PatLac for your latest reply and for the details you enclose. I am familar with quite a lot of the content  ;)

Yes I am interested Mary Ann Tabor, you were informing me about her baptism in 1871 in an earlier reply  ;)

Are you alluding to being 99% sure the Sept 1944 death in St Ives for Mary A Smith was Mary Ann Tabor?


Many thanks again Steve

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Great sleuthing yet again John!...looks likely correct. 1911 has married 23 years & 2 children born.

1901 at same address Red Cow Drove (as transcribed on A*)
Littleport, Cambridgeshire England
Registration District   Ely

George Whnith 32 Downham, Cambridgeshire
Mary A Whnith   32 Welney, Norfolk
James W Whnith 12 Son   Littleport, Cambridgeshire

SMITH, JAMES  WILLIAM  mmn   HANNAH 
GRO Reference: 1888  J Quarter in ELY  Volume 03B  Page 568

1891 - Dairy Houses
Littleport, Cambridgeshire, England
George Smith   21   Head
Mary A Smith 22   Wife
James W Smith 2   Son

Bapt for Mary Ann, which would fit with birthdate on 1939 register, image online

Name   Marianne Hannah
Record Type   Baptism
Baptism Date   11 Oct 1868
Baptism Place   Welney, Norfolk, England
Father   George Hannah
Mother   Sarah Jane Hannah
Parish as it Appears   Welney

Cas

Many thanks Cas for taking the time to research and reply with your findings  ;D

Please see my previous reply to jonwarrn


Steve

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