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apparently, yes, there are relatives in hungary still. this is my partners family. he has never met them. his dad was one of ten children, 6 of who were boys. his dads name was spelled karcolak when he was in the military (1950-54), and my partners older brother has a picture of a tombstone of one of the uncles that died in the 60's somewhere in hungary. we have no idea where this man could be buried. Lepsény is the birth place of his mother (june 16 1933) and the record you found was his mothers death record. her name was julia (bugyula) karcolak. the only church it seems that is there is the catholic church, but we do not know if she was in fact catholic. her fathers name was frank bugyula, and my partners fathers name was andrew karcolak. at this time we have no idea if he had any religious affiliation. his fathers birth place was arad which is now in romania. he was born march 22 1932. his mother and father both fled hungary during the 1956 revolution and they met on the ship over here which left from naples and landed in halifax in 1957. from there they settled in saskatoon where there was a fairly large hungarian settlement although we dont know which settlement they were in.

the karcolak name is spelled the same way on the military records, and so we are wondering if it was the previous generation that had a variation in the spelling of the surname. i have been doing genealogy for quite few years and i have never come across a name so difficult to find info on. any guidance is so welcomed at this point. thank you all so much! Phaydra

Has anyone ever heard of this surname? I have been told it's hungarian, but im getting nowhere. All i know is that apparently a family with this surname is living in budapest, but i have no way of getting any info because i don't speak the language and live in canada. can anyone help? does anyone know any origins of this surname, or what it's meaning may be??

Phaydra

i would also love to know where the drakes came in, because obviously farther down the line they come into the tree again with my line. hmmm. some kind of connection but what..hmm

Hi Everyone,

Okay, I have checked family search, the chatham christening  records on the medway site (all unindexed, took me three hours, no luck) anscestry doesn't have it either. I have done research on the chatham area, and it seems that there was ship building going on about the time he was born. "Mariner" is an occupation that carries on for most of the drake men further down the line, so I'm wondering a) Is there anywhere else I could try looking for his birth/christening records? I checked the medway records for st marys and i looked from 1810-1821 to cover all my bases. I found nothing. There is the John drake with parents william and sarah, but his father is listed as john drake on the marriage certificate when he married in 1838. B) can anyone tell me a place i might be able to find records of the men who worked on the boats there, and what were they called? mariners? were they part of some organization back then? everything i have stumbled across just gives the blurb about how ships were built there in chatham. c) st marys appears to be the only church in the area at the time so i am unsure where else to look. help? any ideas for me??

ladyhawk,

I have come across those dates for john and have wondered, but I don't get how the 1851and 1861  says 1817 chatham, and then the 71-91 say 1821, and then his will online says (died aug 8/1891) says he was 75... which again puts his bdate back to 1816. but even checking the parish registers there is nothing. can anyone tell me how these dates can be so off when i know ive got the right person? thank you so much for your help. you could be right about the second son, it did happen that the first died and they named the second the same...