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Lanarkshire / Re: Grove Street Glasgow 1875
« on: Saturday 18 February 12 08:30 GMT (UK)  »
Dear JKH

Thanks for your note. I would also love to have pix of the street at that time. The interesting thing for me is that my family member was a young orphan when she died. Her mother had already died of tuberculosis some years earlier and her father, described when he married as a grocer, had disappeared with no record (although there were reports of a man with the same name having drowned in the Clyde at the 'right' time - but what are the chances that he is the same man?!).   So the question for me was how my family member was surviving, who was she living with at the time since all other immediate family members were in South Lanarkshire.  Maybe your ancestors were there for her!  It would be nice to think so......

Best wishes
Tatty5

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Lanarkshire / Re: Grove Street Glasgow 1875
« on: Sunday 05 February 12 08:57 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks for the link.  Most useful

T

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Cumberland Lookup Requests / Re: Dr Robert Jackson - Thursby 1827
« on: Tuesday 24 May 11 07:29 BST (UK)  »
Dear Jo

I haven't yet managed to visit Thursby to see the grave stone so am very pleased to hear from you.  Thank you.

I'm not much further in my research either because of pressure of work but if you would like more information about Dr Jackson for your booklet, please let me know.

A thought occurs.  Have you come across a Dr Barnes in the churchyard transcriptions?  He apparently attended Dr Jackson when he died and knew him towards the end of his life, writing up a "sketch" of the man and his achievements.

Best wishes
Tatty

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Cumberland Lookup Requests / Re: Dr Robert Jackson - Thursby 1827
« on: Wednesday 25 August 10 21:37 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks Emms for your offer.  As you probably guess, I'm a newbie at this forum chat so not sure what the etiquette is...  pm = private mail?

My Jacksons are from Lanarkshire, Scotland - with the earliest proven link a marriage in Coulter in 1802 between William and Margrat Paterson.  This was the man who was a 'close relative' to Robert Jackson.  He was a tenant in Coulter Mill and had, according to 'Biggar and the House of Fleming', a brother called James - a blind fiddler who used to entertain locally with his music and tales.  I have no proven birth record for William or James.  There was another Jackson at the same time in Coulter called Laurence who might have been family  - I have a birth record for him in Crawford, just down the road, in 1791 to Laurence (Lawrie), another miller and Rose Blacklaw, who also had a son William in 1780 - which all fits; but no brother James!  Grave stones for Laurence and William lie side by side in Coulter kirk yard.

According to various biographies of Robert, he was born in Stonebyres in 1750.  Stonebyres was/is in the parish of Lesmahagow, very close to Lanark not 10 miles from Coulter and Crawford.   I can find no birth record of a Robert Jackson in the Lesmahagow parish files for that year.  However, I can find a Robert Jackson born to a Laurence Jackson in 1750 - a miller in Wandell, Lamington, just a mile or so south of Coulter and where the young Robert Jackson attended school according to one account.  The statistical review for Coulter counted Robert Jackson as one of its own - mentioning that he wasn't born in the parish but came to live there as a young boy..... all very intriguing.  There were Jacksons in mills in villages all in very close proximity to Culter, Wandell and Crawford (also known as Mudlock Milne) throughout the 18th century.  Unfortunately, they were all Laurences, Williams or Johns!  There were also connections with Hoddam in Dumfries.  At the moment, it feels like I have jigsaw pieces but not many that fit together.

Robert had children by his first marriage to Agnes Stephenson (1785 Edinburgh) but again, according to the various accounts of his life, these predeceased him. I get the impression that his children disappointed him as there is a reference to dubious parenting by Agnes!  His second marriage was in around 1825 to a Miss Tidy, daughter to the Rev. Thomas Tidy, rector of Redmarshall, Durham and an army chaplain..

If there are any links to other Jacksons in the Thursby area, that would be very interesting - if only to add to the mystery of his life!  He had a general practice near Stockton on Tees (in Eaglesham) but I would like to know why he ended up his days in Thursby....it might be because of family connections...?

Best wishes
Tatty5

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Cumberland Lookup Requests / Re: Dr Robert Jackson - Thursby 1827
« on: Saturday 21 August 10 06:58 BST (UK)  »
Dear Geoff-E

For some reason, I have only just spotted your second post with the links.  Apologies - and thanks.  I have Jackson's will and it make very interesting reading - if only to confirm the "pepperiness" of his character!  Again it provides tantalising links to other Jacksons in the "right" area - and further research opportunities....

I'm much obliged.

Will definitely plan a detour off the motorway to Thursby the next time I journey north.

Best wishes

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Cumberland Lookup Requests / Re: Dr Robert Jackson - Thursby 1827
« on: Friday 20 August 10 19:16 BST (UK)  »
Wow - this is so exciting.  But it is devastating to see the damage to the church.  Thank you so much for taking trouble to find the grave and the links for me.

This is the second go at posting a reply.  Lost the last one but here goes again.

Robert Jackson has been described as the father of modern military medicine and was the author of a number of books and pamphlets which lead to major reforms in the handling of soldiers' welfare, health and in-the-field medical care.  He was the first to propose the use of cold water treatment to control fever.  He fought a life-long campaign against the snobbery and ignorance of the then medical establishment who refused to acknowledge the observations and experiences Jackson had built up serving as an army surgeon in the West Indies and North America during the War of Independence - and who constantly rebuffed his ambitions to become an army physician.  He was eventually promoted to the position of army physician in 1794 by the Duke of York, who recognised his "abilities"  - over the heads of the surgeon-general and the physician-general who subsequently made life very difficult for him.    Mind you, that's probably not surprising as Jackson was on a campaign against the monopoly of the College and the corrupt administration of the army medical department, which ended in a new regime in 1810 - following the debacle of the Walcheren campaign which failed because of army medical incompetence which allowed debilitating disease to decimate the ranks.

I have read an account of his life by an (almost) contemporary historian who was told by my great x 4 grandfather that Jackson was a "close relative".  There are certainly tantalising connections in Jackson's life which link very closely to my family and the area where they lived.  I just haven't found the evidence - so finding his grave is very exciting.  However, relative or not, I am really enjoying learning more about this man.  He certainly seems to have been quite a character and had many adventures - including going on the "Grand Tour" - on foot!  There is even a rather unkind cartoon of him by Rowlandson harassing the Surgeon General and the Physician General following the Walcheren debacle! He was hauled up in court (and imprisioned for six months!) for accosting the Surgeon General about the shoulders and head with his "gold-topped cane" on Berkeley Street in London, such was his fury at the incompetence shown by the man in the Walcheren affair.... But Jackson was vindicated and he went on to become medical director in the West Indies and then inspector-general of medical hospitals.

I have a picture of him - but haven't worked out how to attach it (lost my last message while trying!)....

Anyway - these are just a few facts about the man in the kirk yard. 

Best wishes
Tatty5

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Cumberland Lookup Requests / Re: Dr Robert Jackson - Thursby 1827
« on: Friday 13 August 10 23:03 BST (UK)  »
Don't worry!  I'm only too grateful that you are interested in taking the trouble!

Best wishes
Tatty5

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Cumberland Lookup Requests / Re: Dr Robert Jackson - Thursby 1827
« on: Sunday 08 August 10 22:54 BST (UK)  »
Wow - that would be fantastic, Emms!  Thanks very much for the offer.  I live in the south and can't head Thursby way for some time.  If you have the spare time and it isn't too much trouble, confirmation that a headstone exists would be fabulous.  Robert Jackson was born around 1750 in Lanarkshire, Scotland (although some accounts say it was Dumfriesshire); he was an army medical reformer and inspector general of hospitals.

Best wishes
tatty5

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Cumberland Lookup Requests / Re: Dr Robert Jackson - Thursby 1827
« on: Saturday 07 August 10 18:45 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for this information!  Apologies for the tardy response but I have been away.  Would you happen to know whether there is more than one burial ground in Thursby?  It would be great to visit and try and find a gravestone.

Best wishes

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