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Surrey / Re: Looking for John Debrox/Deborax/Devereux etc
« on: Wednesday 27 November 24 00:03 GMT (UK)  »
Just in case anyone's still interested . . . .

Dorothy Gadsby of Wharf St had a daughter ("illegit.") Mary Jane, christened 23 Nov 1820, a month before she married John Debrex/whatever. Father's name not recorded. Daughter of John Debrex

On 13 Dec 1866 Mary Ann Wade, widow, married. Named her father as "John Debrex Mechanic".

John Debrex was listed in Pigot's directory in 1828 as a whitesmith, at St Nicholas' St Leicester.

Must be the same John. Haven't found his death. Nor have I found Mary Ann's marriage to Wade, or living with him. In the 1851 census there's a Mary A Wade, 31, married, Sempstress born, with  lodger Eliza Deborax, 18, both born St Mary's & St. Margaret's Leicester, & son Charles, 5, born St Nicholas. But no husband.

I'd like to fill in the missing elements

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Wiltshire / Re: Ramsbury, c 1790
« on: Tuesday 20 March 12 11:35 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that. George was one of the little mysteries in the family, & Rachel & I have had some discussions about him.

His father said to a court in 1820 or so that he'd become a soldier & died in Ireland, & that he'd died before an event which it was possible to date to 1803.

It seemed very likely that he was the George who married at Ramsbury, husband of the widow Sarah Washington who remarried in Buckinghamshire 1800, & father of the Charles Washington who kept appearing in Buckinghamshire censuses with a vague or unknown place of birth - but without the information you've kindly supplied from the PRs, it wasn't certain.

I reckon that now it's as sure as it can be. It's unlikely that there was more than  one George Washington in the Bucks Militia in 1795, & everything else fits.

PS. I'm descended from one of George's brothers. Four were in the army, Charles transferred from the militia 1799, William private in the 3rd Bn, 14th foot at Waterloo, Thomas in the militia from 1803, army 1807-1827: got a bullet in the left thigh at the battle of Corunna (1809), & served 9 years ;in the east'. Discharge signed & sealed at Meerut. He seems to have had a wife & at least one  child who died in India.

A nephew joined the army, & fought in the first Afghan war, later emigrating to New Zealand under a free passage scheme for old soldiers.

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Buckinghamshire / Re: Lydia Munday, Princes Risborough
« on: Tuesday 01 November 11 23:33 GMT (UK)  »
I think it's probably the same Lydia. Banns, but no wedding - & two years later she's over her disappointment, & slips off to Bradenham with a licence.

Maybe someone objected to her marrying John Druce.

I'll try the Bucks Archives. I may be able to get up there one day next week.

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Buckinghamshire / Lydia Munday, Princes Risborough
« on: Tuesday 01 November 11 18:50 GMT (UK)  »
Married William Harris 12 Dec 1786 at Bradenham by licence. He of Ivinghoe.
Adult baptism 20 Apr 1788 at Princes Risborough, a week after her daughter Catherine.

Her daughter Lydia was baptised aged 26 at Chinnor, OXF, after marriage. "Stated that she was baptd as an infant at Presbyterian Meeting House at Princes Risborough (Bucks).".

I suspect the first Lydia also had a noncomformist baptism, & perhaps her husband William.

Does anyone know if the Princes Risborough meeting house records have survived?

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Buckinghamshire / Re: Cannon of Waddesdon
« on: Sunday 30 October 11 22:09 GMT (UK)  »
There are earlier Cannons (CANNAN, CANAN, CANON) in Long Crendon, but the nearest Richard was buried in 1566.

The Bucks County Council wills list website shows CANNONs (etc) before 1650 in
Iver
Colnbrook
Stewkley
Ickford
Shabbington
Grendon Underwood

Some of those are pretty close

The marriage record of your Richard & Mary may not have survived. Unless you can find other evidence, I'd not risk making a connection to a physically distant marriage.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Caleb Irving engine driver Cape Town
« on: Tuesday 24 May 11 10:30 BST (UK)  »
I'd always wondered about the origin of the name. There were some URLWINs & URLWINGs in SE Bucks before 1700, but I couldn't find any connection to them, & they seemed to carry on after the IRVINGs (& variants) appeared elsewhere in the region. Searches of the IGI, & the local family history society databases, came up with the same conclusion, that there were no Irvings in the area before the 1690s, when several men with the name suddenly appeared.

I knew that IRVING was a common name in southern Scotland & the English border regions, but I didn't see why a bunch of Scots or northeners would all decide to come south at once. Then I heard, via Celia Renshaw, of Margaret Spufford's “The Great Reclothing of Rural England – Petty Chapmen and their Wares in the Seventeenth Century”, She took it so much for granted that many travelling chapmen were Scottish that she paid the fact little attention. I did a little digging, & the few scraps I found appeared to confirm it.

There was also a dissident connection, with Presbyterian Scots typically finding English dissenters more congenial than the Church of England. This fits quite well, as although they didn't leave any records I know of, we know there were noncomformist meetings in Bledlow in the late 17th century, & the names of some of the members - mostly from complaints by the church authorities. The family my William married into seems to have been involved. It all adds up.

I don't have any special records. I found the transcription of Bledlow PRs by Dexter Eustis useful (on May Lanchbury's website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lanchbury/, where she also hosts my 1841 census transcriptions), but be aware that it's not complete, because he didn't have access to complete records. I'm able to visit the archives in Aylesbury, Oxford (though they're shut for the next month) & Reading, which is an advantage many people don't, & buy searches & CDs from the local familiy history societies, which anybody can. Other researchers have been helpful.

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Buckinghamshire Resources & Offers / Re: Link: Buckinghamshire Census
« on: Monday 23 May 11 15:56 BST (UK)  »
May Lanchbury has put a few more villages I've transcribed online, and parts of Aylesbury. All 1841 -

Aylesbury (parts)
Fulmer
Hedgerley
Waddesdon
As well as Granborough.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lanchbury/genealogy/index.html

And the Bledlow PRs transcribed by Dexter Eustis & referenced elsewhere on this board.

Kevin Quick has transcribed the Linslade censuses for 1841 to 1861 - http://www.leighton-linslade.com/census/index.html

Alex Coles has transcribed the 1841, 1871, 1891 & 1911 censuses for Wing, as well as many other resources, & put them online at http://www.wing-ops.org.uk/

There are census transcriptions linked from the Milton Keynes Heritage Association site (http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/), e.g.
http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/tva/Census/Family%20History%20Introduction%20-%20TVAT.html
Castlethorpe - http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/cv/docs/census/censusmainpage.html
Grafton Regis - http://www.grafton-regis.co.uk/docs/CD/CD1-intro.html
Hanslope - http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/hdhs/familyHistory/hanslopeFamHistIntro.php
Haversham - http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/hav/docs/census/havcensus.html
New Bradwell - http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/nbhg/docs/nblifeandtimes2.html
Olney - http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/odhs/index.html
Sherington - http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/shhs/record.htm
Stoke Goldington - http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/sga/Census/StokeGoldingtonFamHistIntro.asp?Village=StokeGoldington
Yardley Gobion - http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/yghg/docs/frame-famhistory.html


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Buckinghamshire / Re: Stoke-Mandeville,Buckingham 1815 mariage
« on: Monday 23 May 11 15:39 BST (UK)  »
Further to what Bucksgirl said:

The only certificates that can be purchased are for civil registration records, which began in 1837. For church records, you can look at microfilms of the registers (the original books are looked away) in the county archives.

You may be able to get a photocopy of the entry from Bucks Archives. Web page as given by bucksboy.  Telephone 01296 382587 (+44 1296 382587 from abroad) or email archives@buckscc.gov.uk

Mudgeemaind? From Mudgee? I once visited it, when I was working in Australia in 1999. Some nice local wine, I remember, & a restaurant with excellent food, mostly from local ingredients, which we washed down with several bottles we'd bought while touring vineyards.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Caleb Irving engine driver Cape Town
« on: Monday 23 May 11 15:01 BST (UK)  »
If you ever find a connection between your James & my ancestors, or any of the other Irvings in the area, I'd be grateful if you'd let me know. I've looked, but not found one.

My ancestor William Irving appeared in Bledlow in 1697, marrying a local girl. There were no Irvings in Bledlow before that, & only two references I've found to Irvings anywhere in Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire or Berkshire. But in 1697, three Irving men married in the area: my William at Bledlow, a James Irvin at Fingest, & William Urwing at St. Georges Chapel, Windsor. Three years later, in 1700 David Irwing, married at St. Georges Chapel. Christopher appeared in Marlow in 1713, already married.

David was a very unusual name for the area, but common in Scotland, where the name Irving (& variants) is also common. All the Irvings seem to have been connected with the cloth trade, & all except my William settled in Marlow at some point. Bledlow was a weaving village, & my William's wife was from a family of weavers. It's well documented that large numbers of Scots chapmen had begun travelling around England at the time, selling haberdashery, & it seems likely that all our Irvings were Scottish.

Your James was recorded as 'of Reading' when he married in 1736, & aged 39 at his second marriage in 1751, putting his birth about 1712. I'm pretty sure he's not the son of my William, because as well as not finding a christening, there's no mention of James or his family in William's will, January 1737/8, a month after James & Elizabeth christened a daughter in Bledlow. He could have been a son of one of the other Irvings.

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