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Staffordshire / Re: Humphrey Palmer of Hanley
« on: Friday 28 November 25 10:41 GMT (UK)  »
Softly Softly
From my previous research years back I have 5 children
John Palmer b.1832 Longton
William Turner Palmer b.1833 Longton
Henry Palmer b.1835 Hanley
Frederick b.1837 Hanley m. Ellen Johnson
Martin Charles b.1838.  m. to either Ellen Chivers or Mary Turner??

Your Probate information looks interesting and yes we both have the same date of death. Would you be able to send me all that information as it is cut off on the RH side. I am hoping to read just what it says about his parents.
Regards Rob

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Staffordshire / Re: Humphrey Palmer of Hanley
« on: Thursday 27 November 25 22:26 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Hepburn.
As the text you supplied confirms that James Neale took over the Church Works pottery after Humphrey Palmer.
In August 1762, James Neale married Hannah Heath.
The next piece I find is that "Hannah Neale’s older sister had married the Staffordshire manufacturer Humphrey Palmer". (No children listed in the information). So who is this Hannah Neale? She can't be a daughter of James Neale or she would be way too young for Humphrey. Could she be a sibling to James Neale or Auntie.
Thanks for the link which I didn't have in my Neale & Co folder. It seems that the kind work of the volunteers are running into the same barriers that I did. Just not enough information available but I will continue to search.

Have I missed anything from the information supplied so far? Don't be afraid to let me know.

Was the William Palmer that married my Sarah Turner, the son of the potter Humphrey Palmer. Both were from Hanley.

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Staffordshire / Re: Humphrey Palmer of Hanley
« on: Thursday 27 November 25 20:16 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks guys
Looks like we have the family of William Palmer and Sarah Palmer. I never had their children in my tree.
• Is there anything to prove that Humphrey Palmer is actually the father of William?

After several upgrades to my computer I've finally found my casual notes from some 10 years back
• Sarah Turner had a elder sister Mary Ann who never married. Matron of the Staffordshire Lunatic Asylum in 1832 and stayed there until 1853 She died 1878 and left everything to Sarah (just under £3000). So in 1878 Sarah would have been in a much better financial situation so there may have been a better house. Of her children I found no marriages so I had obviously stopped searching this branch of the family. Records may have changed by now but I'd appreciate if anybody has the time to double check me if they have the means to.
I remember searching for living relatives along Sarah's line and getting nowhere. Possibly I just got lazy.

Pennines
Thank you for working on Humphrey Palmer. I have absolutely nothing family wise on him except that this William that married into my Turner side of the family may be the son of Humphrey as both were from Hanley.  In pottery circles we have a little information but I find nothing about his family.
https://www.thepotteries.org/potworks_wk/052.htm
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG76079

Thanks for your interest.

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Staffordshire / Humphrey Palmer of Hanley
« on: Wednesday 26 November 25 21:59 GMT (UK)  »
I have put a lot of questions up here before regarding the pottery family "Turners of Lane End" (Longton) and thought I had had enough about 5 years ago but lets face it enough is never enough.
I have moved my research to the family of John Turners eldest son William and discovered his daughter Sarah b.1806 Longton d.1881 buried Hanley Cem married 1831 a William Palmer timber merchant of Hanley.
I'm looking for the family of this William Palmer to see if he was the son of Humphrey Palmer who is notorious for Copying Wedgwood pieces and was sued by him.
There are several finds for Humphrey Palmer of the Church Works in Hanley but I'm having trouble to find if William Palmer was his son.
It would be interesting to find a marriage link of their children.

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Staffordshire / Re: The Degg Teapot
« on: Friday 13 May 22 02:35 BST (UK)  »
I've just discovered that in 1901 the teapot was owned by Mr. A. E. Chavasse, of The Avenue, Stone,
Staffs.
Instead this will be the best family to try to contact. Do we have any idea on how I should do this?

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Staffordshire / Re: Degge Family in Uttoxeter
« on: Thursday 12 May 22 13:18 BST (UK)  »
I am also looking into the Degg family of Uttoxeter in the year 1762. See my post dated today today in the Staffordshire forum.
I am trying to find this family to ask if they know the whereabouts of a teapot last recorded in 1901. It is marked "M.D. Uttoxeter" beneath the lid and the base has "M. Degg Mar 1762"
I presume the surname is the same family.
Rob

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Staffordshire / The Degg Teapot
« on: Thursday 12 May 22 05:04 BST (UK)  »
Funny title for me to ask for help on a ancestral website. Actually I'm trying to find a certain teapot which on it's base has "M. Degg Mar., 1762" and inside the lid it has "M.D. Uttoxeter". The teapot is impressed by it's maker TURNER who was producing at Lane End (Now Longton).
I am wanting to trace down the Degg family to see if it may still be in their possession.

So it was made in 1762 and last known of in 1901.
This teapot has a satirical design on it probably specially made for M.Degg whom I expect would have been from a well to do family possibly from Uttoxeter.

My search of museums have also failed to find it.

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Staffordshire / Re: Descendants of William Turner. Where are they?
« on: Thursday 30 September 21 05:16 BST (UK)  »
Thank you 'amondg'.
Yes his son "John" who I do not have in my tree applied for his estate which was valued at £100 (from memory).
So who was he???
I have a John listed as b.1803 d.1809 which was mentioned earlier in these replies. Have I missed another birth?
Looking at the 6 children there is a gap in the births from 1807 to 1815 so it is quite possible that there was another birth in that time frame. So if they lost a child named John in 1809 then it is likely that a new son would be called John. That was happening in a previous generation of the Turner line.  Williams father and brother was named John. "If you Google Turner of Lane End" you will find that as potters they were well respected at the time.

Thanks for the death info on Charlotte. It is obvious that the families didn't move around much. I have been lucky enough to have obtained information by a researcher who was writing a book called "Staffordshire Women". Chapter 8 was all about Mary Ann Turner. Here is an extract from her research which she sent me which is where I obtained much of my information.

"They appear in the 1851 and 1861 censuses. In 1851 they just gave the enumerator their initials - daughter `E`, 18, a dressmaker, and sons `W`, 16, `W`, 14, `F`, 12, `J`, 9, `M`, 3 and `H`, 6 months. By 1861 we have the full names - Charlotte is the wife and the children are Elizabeth, William, Walter, John, Martin and Henry - all 10 years older of course. `F` seems to have died or been elsewhere.  Father William was a potter, as were sons William and John. Walter was a `potter`s warehouseman` and Elizabeth was still a dressmaker. The others were `scholars`. As Mary Ann left £550 to Elizabeth and £50 to Martin, listing them as children of her brother William, I`m pretty sure that is the right household. What Mary Ann had against her other nephews I`m not sure - maybe she thought they were doing well enough not to need her money - or maybe she just didn`t like them much!

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Staffordshire / Re: Descendants of William Turner. Where are they?
« on: Wednesday 29 September 21 10:28 BST (UK)  »
Thank you amondg.
No I do not have his will but from bits and pieces it appears that five survived to adulthood.
I have 6 children:
Mary Ann 1801-1878 never married
John 1803-1809 age 6
Sarah 1806-1881 married William Palmer 4 surviving children
William 1807-? married Charlotte Jones in 1823 Wolstanton
Elizabeth 1815-? Died young
Harriet 1818-1848

Apparently Mary Ann left money in her will for a memorial to be built for her two sisters that died young. I have never found a Memorial to them.

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