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Fife / Re: HORSBURGH, JAMES, F.R.S.
« on: Tuesday 12 November 13 20:11 GMT (UK)  »
BTW another direct descendant of James Horsburgh is Margaret, Countess of Mar, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_of_Mar,_31st_Countess_of_Mar.

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Fife / Re: HORSBURGH, JAMES, F.R.S.
« on: Tuesday 12 November 13 20:07 GMT (UK)  »
Ellen - I also had a look at the 1855 directory, and there is no J Macdonald listed at Herne Hill. Plot thickens!

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Fife / Re: HORSBURGH, JAMES, F.R.S.
« on: Saturday 09 November 13 17:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks very much Ellen.

I think James Lane must have died before the 1861 census anyway - he doesn't appear then or subsequently, and I have searched for him fruitlessly elsewhere. The death record is difficult to pin down because JL is a fairly common name and he may have died before they started recording age on death certificates. I once took a chance on ordering a d.c. for a JL who died in Camberwell in the mid-1850s and it turned out to be an unrelated child.

An odd aspect to this is that in 1851 Elizabeth's b-in-law James Macdonald was living in South Mimms, whilst the Lane family was at Herne Hill. In 1861, James Macdonald & wife were at Herne Hill with three of James & Eliz Lane's children - although I have no proof that it was in the same house. I have long been working on the assumption that both James & Eliz Lane had died between 1851 and 1861 and that James Macdonald had taken over their house. However, your identification of Eliz Lane's death at 'the house of her brother in law' *might* imply that, although J Lane Esq was not noted as 'late', he had in fact died before his wife, and perhaps that James Macdonald had bought the house in order to provide income for his sister in law?? She would then indeed have died at her brother in law's house, albeit having lived there for a good number of years.

Maybe I should resuscitate my library ticket and investigate Gale Group's (Cengage's) records. Oddly enough I spend my working life negotiating with publishers for access to electronic resources on behalf of UK Higher Education!

Do you have a direct connection to the Horsburghs or is it just passing curiosity?!
Richard

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Fife / Re: HORSBURGH, JAMES, F.R.S.
« on: Thursday 07 November 13 18:22 GMT (UK)  »
Ellen, I was wondering where you came across Eliz. (Horsburgh) Lane's death on 14/6/1855? I have been searching for several years without success. Maybe I just missed something obvious!

I've also been unable to trace James Lane's death, who as you say was a solicitor (at Herne Hill). I think their children's India connections may have been influenced by Uncle James Macdonald.

I'm a direct descendant of James Horsburgh the hydrographer, via James & Eliz Lane and their youngest child Alfred Luther Lane, who was a colonel in the army, mainly in India but also with spells in Mauritius and Cape Town, where his fourth child, my paternal grandmother, was born in 1889.

Thanks for the enlightening information - I also hadn't realised that Jane Horsburgh and James Macdonald were cousins.

Best wishes
Richard

Hi Rob
James Horsburgh's eldest daughter Jane Frances married her first cousin James Horsburgh McDonald 13/01/1835 at St Giles, Camberwell. He was in the Bengal Artillery and ended as a Lieut Colonel.  They were childless but may have had custody of sister Elizabeth's 7 children after her death 14/06/1855 "at the home of her brother in law Lieut Col McDonald". I don't know what happened to her husband James Lane who was a solicitor but the Lane children seem to have had strong connections with India and the army. One of her descendents was William Horsburgh Lane, Lieut Col in Indian Army then after retirement archaeologist, author and Loch Ness monster hunter (honestly).
James Horsburgh junior was a clergyman and had 5 children, his descendents were clergymen, teachers , authors and one was a missionary to China.
This family is quite interesting to research it makes a change from ag labs and fishermen.
I hope this is of use to you.
Ellen

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Cornwall / Re: PELLEW family, Madron/Gulval/Penzance
« on: Sunday 21 October 07 18:15 BST (UK)  »
by the way Eliz (Pellew) Trewhella's death certificate: q2 1895 Penzance 5c 196 aged 88

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