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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 21:41 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jacamar on Tuesday 23 October 07 21:11 BST (UK)
Amanda...

Up until right now I have been busy with new job and will be again until next week. Otherwise I would have talked to you more!
I think we need to exchange information because I am damn sure your line and my line are connected. In fact I have sent emails to you over the last few years that you never picked up!
The myth IS fun hehe..... and I am connected to other people who also have the same myth in their family. This is what makes it interesting. If it wasn't for the myth I wouldn't be talking to you right now.


I'll email you know ;o)

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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 20:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jacamar on Tuesday 23 October 07 20:02 BST (UK)
Amanda

The IGI is the INTERNATIONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX and it can be searched here

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

JAP is right, the name of Scotcher predates the Jacobite rebellion BUT the myth is valuable because it seems to have been passed down untouched through different families which may suggest the families ARE related.

I am actually visting my father at the moment and he emphasises that his recollection of the "myth" is that the family were related to the Stuarts and thus a target for persecution thus "hid their name". This ties in more with the above than any "Scotcher" concoction. He also does remember calling the wedges under carriage/cart wheels "scotches".

I have taken advice and tried to trace the family back, ignoring myths. I have got to an impasse because I couldn't prove  my lot were related to the Nicholas Scotcher line but I think we are starting to see this could be a possibility.

My interest lies in that the name itself is very prevalent in the East of England, yet my line ended up in Wales and then the Midlands.

Thanks to you all for all the help and advice!

Lynn

Thanks Lynn, I appreciate the clarification.
I am investigating the names  not the myth ;o), and sharing what I've found and that is hopefully what this board is for.  I would just like to know who's who and put the links together.  The myth is fun but I guess some of the people are sensitive on here.

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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 14:13 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: sasflo on Tuesday 23 October 07 13:43 BST (UK)
The Sir Simon from Hartley Mauditt was indeed the one mentioned by Auntie Bena so he must be some kind of connection.

Very strangely, though, another branch of my family (neither Scotcher nor Clark, but Turvill) came from Hartley Mauditt, which is not (and never was) exactly a metropolis.

Ah thanks - would that be the George Turvill Brown link?

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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 14:01 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: JAP on Tuesday 23 October 07 11:58 BST (UK)
Well said, PrueM!

I know we all love our family myths but so often that's exactly all they are i.e. myths  ;D

I think it was Billy Anderson who made an excellent suggestion back in reply #3.  Look at the IGI!  I don't pretend to have found the earliest extracted record of the name SCOTCHER but I've now come across them back into the 1580s (in England) - there may well be earlier ones.

Such dates rather make a nonsense of the myth ...

JAP

Hiya sorry newbie here,
Its no good telling us to do something as if we should all miraculously know these things.
What is IGI?
Or am I being particularly dense?
I hate acronyms - often they are so blindingly obvious I just can't see them
then I feel really silly.
thanks

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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 09:13 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Prue
Well I'm looking up everything and following every lead ;o)
I'm just a bit random about how I go about it.
I'll go back and have a look in case I missed something.
thank you everyone that has been helping us!

"Hi all you Scotcher ancestors

Will you be needing any more help from the rest of us non-Scotchers?  I only ask because a few of us have made suggestions further up the thread that I'm not sure you've followed up on yet...

The best suggestion I can give you all is to completely ignore the legend for now, that your surname is derived from/originates from the royal Stuart name, and just trace backwards.  This is the only way that you are going to find out for sure, either way.

If you need any more leads or ideas, just let us know.

Cheers
Prue"

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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 01:06 BST (UK)  »
Ahem...
I just found a post I made in 2002 asking the same scotcher/stuart question and one of our cousins suggested I/we investigate the Blantyres.
Here is the link to the forum for the full reply..
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Lord,Blantyre::stuart::2386.html

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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 00:44 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: amandafrancesclark on Tuesday 23 October 07 00:38 BST (UK)
"In the parish church (of Countesbury or Countisbury) is a tablet in memory of Sir Simon Stuart, Bart., of Hartley Mauduit, Hants, who died in 1816."
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50573



this of course is a different Simon Stuart to yours..
I also found a major Sir Simon coming back from the Boer wars in 1900..
http://www.angloboerwar.com/Other/shipping/190012.htm
he might be the same one from Hartley but not I fear related any closer to the mystery of the Scotchers!

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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 00:38 BST (UK)  »
"In the parish church (of Countesbury or Countisbury) is a tablet in memory of Sir Simon Stuart, Bart., of Hartley Mauduit, Hants, who died in 1816."
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50573


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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 00:34 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: sasflo on Monday 22 October 07 23:33 BST (UK)
I've got the same pieces of paper! However, I was able to find something interesting about (Sir) Simon Stuart. He must have been some kind of forebear, but I can't make the connection yet.

Anyway, what I found was from a magazine whose name I forget for the moment. The publication, which existed for about 40 - 50 years in the early 1700s, is actually available online. Or it was a few years ago when I found the reference to Sir Simon Stuart.

There was a small article, no more than a paragraph or so, which told that he had been lucky enough to find a treasure trove of gold coins buried on his land by his grandfather during the English Civil War.

I'll try to dig it out in a few days and give you specifics.

thanks! that sounds fascinating
there must be more information if he was a 'Sir'

I'll let you know if i come up with anything

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