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Westmorland / Re: William Dent Esq
« on: Thursday 28 February 13 04:38 GMT (UK) »
Judie, I dropped you a private line but I am not sure that you have received it.
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Nick
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Westmorland / Re: William Dent Esq
« on: Sunday 13 June 10 23:52 BST (UK) »
Dear Bgor, I can help and am very curious to know your connections with the family (my family). William Dent of Battersea Rise (also described as Bolingbroke Grove, Wandsworth Common, an East India Merchant) London (1740-1823) was the younger son of John Dent of Flass, Maulds Meaburn in the parish of Crosby Ravensworth, Westmorland. He paid for a large chunk of teh early 19th Century restoration of Crosby Ravensworth church. So far as I know, William Dent of Wandsworth never married so I don't think the Lancaster marriage is connected, though I could be wrong. He had an "adopted" (aka illegitimate I think) daughter Mary, who inherited the house in Wandsworth and lived to the age of 97 (died 1867). [Wandsworth is now part of London south of the Thames, but was at the time technically in Surrey. WD worked in London, so may be referred to as of London or of Surrey.]
WD of BR's brother Robert Dent (1731-1805, his neighbour on Wandsworth Common [Dents Road in Wandsworth is built over part of their grounds], senior partner in Child's & Co bank of Temple Bar, No. 1 Fleet Street, London) was the father of John Dent MP (1761-1826), also a partner in Child's & Co bank of Temple Bar [MP for Lancaster, where he bought an estate, and later for Poole].
William Dent of Brickendonbury, Hertfordshire (1761-1833, previously of Tumlak, Bengal and later of Grange Court, Chigwell, Essex) was a cousin of theirs, a son of Rev John Dent of Ainderby Steeple, Yorkshire, son of Rev Robert Dent of North Otterington, Yorkshire (the brother of John Dent of Flass).
I am descended from the elder brother of John Dent of Flass (William Dent of Trainlands, Maulds Meaburn 1684-1766) [as well in fact as from JD of F's daughter Mary Wilkinson nee Dent (1726-1812) - there were several intermarriages]. My parents still have a house in Maulds Meaburn and we are up there regularly [I am repeating the family tradition by living in London!].
I am very curious to know what your link or interest with the Dents is?
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Nick (Dent)
WD of BR's brother Robert Dent (1731-1805, his neighbour on Wandsworth Common [Dents Road in Wandsworth is built over part of their grounds], senior partner in Child's & Co bank of Temple Bar, No. 1 Fleet Street, London) was the father of John Dent MP (1761-1826), also a partner in Child's & Co bank of Temple Bar [MP for Lancaster, where he bought an estate, and later for Poole].
William Dent of Brickendonbury, Hertfordshire (1761-1833, previously of Tumlak, Bengal and later of Grange Court, Chigwell, Essex) was a cousin of theirs, a son of Rev John Dent of Ainderby Steeple, Yorkshire, son of Rev Robert Dent of North Otterington, Yorkshire (the brother of John Dent of Flass).
I am descended from the elder brother of John Dent of Flass (William Dent of Trainlands, Maulds Meaburn 1684-1766) [as well in fact as from JD of F's daughter Mary Wilkinson nee Dent (1726-1812) - there were several intermarriages]. My parents still have a house in Maulds Meaburn and we are up there regularly [I am repeating the family tradition by living in London!].
I am very curious to know what your link or interest with the Dents is?
Kind regards
Nick (Dent)
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Devon Lookup Requests / Re: Plymouth - DUNSTERVILLE/CLEATHER
« on: Sunday 06 June 10 23:01 BST (UK) »
Yes, I have a great deal more information about John Dent, his brothers, descendants etc (I am in touch with two of them). My ggg grandfather Robert Dent was John's elder brother. I have also seen the monument in Madras, 15 years ago - isn't it splendid? We should be in contact offline as much too much to share in this forum - but I am not sure how to do this as I think they edit out personal email addresses (probably sensibly) for fear of becoming a victim of spam. Kind regards Nick (Nicholas Dent)
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Devon Lookup Requests / Re: Plymouth - DUNSTERVILLE/CLEATHER
« on: Sunday 06 December 09 01:31 GMT (UK) »
Dear "Hissey", I am also descended from Thomas Cleather (son William H Cleather, gd Sophia Louisa Cleather married Collinson and their daughter Sophia Amelia Collinson married my gg grandfather Thomas Dent). What is your connection?
Nick Dent
Nick Dent
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Westmorland / Re: Jackson Bampton
« on: Monday 26 November 07 00:06 GMT (UK) »
Tommy Johnson (whom my father remembers well) and his father (Richard?) as you say rented Tenter Row from us and my grandfather sold it in 1959. Tommy and his father were I think blacksmiths and smallholders. It's a nice house from the outside (I've never been in) and was up for sale for a fairly chunky amount, fortunately I forget the tiny amount my grandfather sold it for....
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Westmorland / Re: Jackson Bampton
« on: Saturday 17 November 07 14:55 GMT (UK) »
Gillian, Yes I know Ted very well, spoke to him this week in fact. Thanks for your information about the Ellwoods.
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Nick
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Nick
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Westmorland / Re: Jackson Bampton
« on: Monday 12 November 07 01:23 GMT (UK) »
Deborah, very interesting and apologies for not responding as quickly as you did: work + 3 and 1 year olds intervened...
I am more interested in Dents than Jacksons but I have a long-term project of having a family tree of all descendants in all lines of my earliest Dent ancestor so would want to trace the Jackson line as well ideally. So your info is great to have.
I can tell you as much as you like about Crosby and Maulds Meaburn - difficult to know where to start. As my family lived in Meaburn from 1616 then numerous houses/farms in both villages have some kind of family connection.
Eleanor Whitehead being the daughter of William Dent comes from a 19th century family tree of ours, which I am pretty sure is right - not least because the social hierarchies were very rigid there and then and the William Dents and the Whiteheads were both prosperous yeoman families on the way up and Anthony Dent's family was not thanks to Anthony's fecklessness or worse.
Yes, I have seen Agnes Salkeld/Burra of Trainlands' will. V impressed with the level of detail you have on all this.
Which of the branches of Crosby Salkelds is your one? I was given about 10 years ago by a gentleman called Robert Salkeld (who had carried out a one-name study of Salkelds) some very good family trees: do you have these? My copies are currently deposited in the Crosby parish archives which was set up a couple of years ago. One branch lived at a cottage now called Fern Cottage in Crosby, which now belongs to myself and my brother and sister. Another branch lived a few doors up in a house now owned by Mr and Mrs Risk, who are leading lights in the Local History Society and have researched the history of their house.
On Robert Dent/Elizabeth Winter, what is your particular interest? Elizabeth was the daughter of Anthony Winter of Trainlands, ie the Dents first acquired Trainlands by marriage. Back then it was only 20 acres or so though and is now about 300 so there has been steady accretion over the years. We have a couple of early deeds (deposited in Kendal archives; my notes of which are in Crosby parish archive...!) mentioning him and I have his will I think. There were lots of Winters in Meaburn in the 17th c., probably related to each other but not in any way now traceable (I have tried). Elizabeth's death is not recorded in the parish registers - they are a bit patchy because the vicar was first thrown out during teh Commonwealth and then decrepit.
Here is something I wrote a while back as the first section of a family history (still in progress...): "The first definite ancestor of our family is Robert Dent, who was married at Crosby Ravensworth Church on 8th December 1616 to Elizabeth Winter. In the following year their first child was born, and her baptism in Crosby parish register gives her as daughter of Robert Dent of Trainlands. This is the first mention of Trainlands in the parish registers, but Robert's father-in-law Anthony Winter is called "of Maulds Meaburn late of Trainlands" in his will of 1627, and simply of Trainlands in the inventory. It seems likely that he was previously owner of Trainlands and transferred it to his daughter and son-in-law at some stage. (The significance of this gift was marked by Robert and Elizabeth calling their eldest son Anthony in 1624, departing from the normal tradition of naming the eldest son after the paternal grandfather.) In 1626 a list of landowners in the manorial records shows Anthony Winter as one of the few freeholders in Meaburn, and no Dent is listed for either freehold or customary land. The central core of Trainlands was freehold. Certainly he sold some other land near Trainlands to Robert in 16[ ], at which time he had already moved to Meaburn. In his will he leaves nothing to Elizabeth, although Robert is his executor, which suggests that he had already made provision for her. That provision remains in the family, just short of 400 years later."
Gillian, on your question about Ellwoods, yes the first tenants of Trainlands after the orphaned Dent children went to live with their uncle in London c 1803 were Ellwoods. The parish registers to 1812 show 3 mentions of Ellwoods of Trainlands and I have a feeling that they were there until 1820s.
Will try to respond more quickly next time.
I am more interested in Dents than Jacksons but I have a long-term project of having a family tree of all descendants in all lines of my earliest Dent ancestor so would want to trace the Jackson line as well ideally. So your info is great to have.
I can tell you as much as you like about Crosby and Maulds Meaburn - difficult to know where to start. As my family lived in Meaburn from 1616 then numerous houses/farms in both villages have some kind of family connection.
Eleanor Whitehead being the daughter of William Dent comes from a 19th century family tree of ours, which I am pretty sure is right - not least because the social hierarchies were very rigid there and then and the William Dents and the Whiteheads were both prosperous yeoman families on the way up and Anthony Dent's family was not thanks to Anthony's fecklessness or worse.
Yes, I have seen Agnes Salkeld/Burra of Trainlands' will. V impressed with the level of detail you have on all this.
Which of the branches of Crosby Salkelds is your one? I was given about 10 years ago by a gentleman called Robert Salkeld (who had carried out a one-name study of Salkelds) some very good family trees: do you have these? My copies are currently deposited in the Crosby parish archives which was set up a couple of years ago. One branch lived at a cottage now called Fern Cottage in Crosby, which now belongs to myself and my brother and sister. Another branch lived a few doors up in a house now owned by Mr and Mrs Risk, who are leading lights in the Local History Society and have researched the history of their house.
On Robert Dent/Elizabeth Winter, what is your particular interest? Elizabeth was the daughter of Anthony Winter of Trainlands, ie the Dents first acquired Trainlands by marriage. Back then it was only 20 acres or so though and is now about 300 so there has been steady accretion over the years. We have a couple of early deeds (deposited in Kendal archives; my notes of which are in Crosby parish archive...!) mentioning him and I have his will I think. There were lots of Winters in Meaburn in the 17th c., probably related to each other but not in any way now traceable (I have tried). Elizabeth's death is not recorded in the parish registers - they are a bit patchy because the vicar was first thrown out during teh Commonwealth and then decrepit.
Here is something I wrote a while back as the first section of a family history (still in progress...): "The first definite ancestor of our family is Robert Dent, who was married at Crosby Ravensworth Church on 8th December 1616 to Elizabeth Winter. In the following year their first child was born, and her baptism in Crosby parish register gives her as daughter of Robert Dent of Trainlands. This is the first mention of Trainlands in the parish registers, but Robert's father-in-law Anthony Winter is called "of Maulds Meaburn late of Trainlands" in his will of 1627, and simply of Trainlands in the inventory. It seems likely that he was previously owner of Trainlands and transferred it to his daughter and son-in-law at some stage. (The significance of this gift was marked by Robert and Elizabeth calling their eldest son Anthony in 1624, departing from the normal tradition of naming the eldest son after the paternal grandfather.) In 1626 a list of landowners in the manorial records shows Anthony Winter as one of the few freeholders in Meaburn, and no Dent is listed for either freehold or customary land. The central core of Trainlands was freehold. Certainly he sold some other land near Trainlands to Robert in 16[ ], at which time he had already moved to Meaburn. In his will he leaves nothing to Elizabeth, although Robert is his executor, which suggests that he had already made provision for her. That provision remains in the family, just short of 400 years later."
Gillian, on your question about Ellwoods, yes the first tenants of Trainlands after the orphaned Dent children went to live with their uncle in London c 1803 were Ellwoods. The parish registers to 1812 show 3 mentions of Ellwoods of Trainlands and I have a feeling that they were there until 1820s.
Will try to respond more quickly next time.
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Westmorland / Re: Jackson Bampton
« on: Thursday 04 October 07 02:43 BST (UK) »
Deborah, very interested in what you say about Simon Jackson of Crosby. His wife was definitely Eleanor Dent (daughter of Anthony Dent, born 1680, son of Robert Dent of Trainlands, Maulds Meaburn, my direct ancestor - my father still owns Trainlands). Anthony's sister Isabel Salkeld mentions her niece EleanorJackson in her will. Can you tell me more about Simon Jackson and what you have found of his family? What does a2a mean? Tell me more about your study of Crosby, I may be able to help.
Nick Dent
Nick Dent
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Durham / Re: Dent Family of Romaldkirk
« on: Thursday 04 October 07 02:05 BST (UK) »
A member of a side branch of my family (Robert Dent born 1727 son of William of Maulds Meaburn, later of Appleby, Westmorland) moved to Romaldkirk, married Dinah Longerwood 1747 and had William (b.1748), Elizabeth (1750) and Thomas (1752). Any traces? I saw one person above (Peanut, reply no.3 above) who had a Dinah Dent in her family - the name is suggestive of a link?
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