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Renfrewshire / Re: paisley weaving families
« on: Monday 13 June 11 07:21 BST (UK)  »
Could SKS help with a SP death interpretaion.

A couple of days again I queried SP for the death or burial record of Thomas Cowden (Paisley weaver, husband of Elisabeth Gilchrist). The period I was searching straddles OPR-statutory reporting, so I tried both. I fould just one record: 29 Nov 1851 for Paisley Abbey. The thing is, it says Thomas Cowden but in the right hand side says 2 'still born sons'. Surely this is not Thomas plus two? Do you think the record just for the two boys, who were unnamed, and the the words Thomas Cowden just identifes the father?
Thanks in advance
elbe

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Renfrewshire / Re: paisley weaving families
« on: Monday 13 June 11 07:09 BST (UK)  »
.. and continuing ..
On SP, I have found 5 x Thomas Cowden (various spellings) to 3 sets of parents in the period 1770-95. The parents might be William Couden and Katherine Jack (referred to in an earlier post); or Brodie Cowdon and Margaret Ewing. Each had two sons bap. in Paisley Abbey, and each resided in Eaglesham, according to LDS. I have assmed the first sons to each coupl d. in infancy. SP gives 21 Feb 1790 and 11 Jan 1795 respectively as bap. dates for the later sons called Thomas. The third set of parents bap. their son 21 Sep 1786, but at Paisely Low Church.
I would have to say there appears to be no consistent use of the (highland) naming pattern, so... still contemplating ...
Hope this is of use to others
elbe

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Renfrewshire / Re: paisley weaving families
« on: Monday 13 June 11 06:53 BST (UK)  »
Listers
This is a follow up and update.
First - I agree that Thomas Cowden and Elisabeth Gilchrist are challenging to find on SP. Two days ago (on SP) I found Elisabeth (indexed as Cowden) died on 2 Aug 1874 at 80 St James Rd, Glasgow - this is the address of her daughter, Janet (Knox), and, as it is close to the Necropolis, I guess this is where Elisabeth was buried. I double checked before I wrote this and could only find it again by checking my index of searches (guess I must have fluked it the first time) ::)

Elisabeth's record states she was the widow of Thomas, weaver {but type illegible - not silk or cotton or hand loom - what other sort was there?}; she was the daugher of William Gilchrist, silk weaver, and Elizabeth {surname illegible, but short name like Reid or Wild}. I haven't been able to go further back (no bap. or m.). However Sp gives a record of the m. of Thomas Cowden and Elisabeth Gilchrist for 26 Oct 1818 at Paisley Abbey.

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Dunbartonshire / Re: WWI visitor to Luss
« on: Friday 09 November 07 21:06 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the e-address Patriciae.
BTW I note your research list includes McFarlan - do you have a Jane McFarlan, b. 1836, married 20 June 1862 (both at Luss); and emigrated before 25 March 1863?

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Renfrewshire / Re: paisley weaving families
« on: Wednesday 03 October 07 07:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ian: We have had contact on the Clingan branch before (I'm also a member of the US-centred Clingan group elsewhere - I keep hoping they'll get their research back to the UK soon ::) ).Thanks again for your offer of help re the Scottish Clingan connection - as yet my Wm seems to have transited Scotland briefly, if you like, before migrating to AUS - the attraction of the gold rush I think!
In terms of the researchers you refer to, if you mean Joy, she certainly keeps a keen eye on my lines ;D.
For the moment I'm trying to learn more about the Cowden family. I'm curious about the census details - is is significant that weavers should be listed as silk weaver, weaver, hand loom weaver? Or is this just the vagaries of each enumerator?

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Renfrewshire / Re: paisley weaving families
« on: Wednesday 19 September 07 09:54 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much for answering my questions! Will be back on line end next week.   :D

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: WWI visitor to cousins
« on: Tuesday 18 September 07 04:04 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for replying Tom - I really do appreciate these boards and the helpfulness of everyone.
There are two interesting points about Alexander and Jane: how did they meet - as you said they lived a fair distance from each other; and secondly, which ship did they migrate on. After many years I've almost given up the search on the second point - even knowing a timeframe (marriage at Luss to birth of first child in South Brisbane 9+ months later).
As to documentation, yes I've tracked them through BDM, electoral rolls and directories; and the Whitecross line has been well researched through OPR by one of the American 'cousins'. [It's not possible to track census records here: Australian government policy since Federation means they are burnt.]
Anyway, my 2x greatgrandfather Alexander Whitecross and wife Jane are buried in Nambour, a small place north of Brisbane, Queensland. Their dau. Isabella is buried with her first husband and brother-in-law in South Brisbane (elegant grave). I have the service record of my grandfather (AT Bain), and so know when he went to the UK; and family lore says he visited his Scottish cousins.
Yes I'm keen to document rather than accept hearesay - so my next step will be Jane's baptismal details. Would have been nice though to find something on the WWI visit. Thanks for your advice on the Courier - I'll search next week.

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Dunbartonshire / Re: WWI visitor to Luss
« on: Tuesday 18 September 07 03:34 BST (UK)  »
Good point! I've read the Sydney Morning Herald of that era and it's quite serious in tone. It was just a vague thought it see which of the Scottish lines my grandfather, AT Bain, visited. The lines are (geographically) spread out so I imagine, especially since money was scarce and his leave was short, he only visited one area: Luss, Tarbat or Haddington. I was hoping for letters too: family lore says my grandmother wrtoe to Scottish cousins until well into her marriage. I may never know, but it does help put flesh on their lives, doesn't it!
Thanks for replying.

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Renfrewshire / Re: paisley weaving families
« on: Tuesday 18 September 07 02:18 BST (UK)  »
Joe, what a wonderful piece of research you've done! I don't have this experience and knowledge here because it's been Australian government policy since Federation to destroy census records.
First a really ignorant question: in Scotland, were married women listed in the census by their natal names (see Elizabeth GILCHRIST at Janet's place from 1861)? Or maybe some used their husband's surname and others didn't?
Elisabeth, dau. of Thos and Eliz. married William Clingan, a stonemason, in September 1850, so perhaps they are still in Paisley somewhere in 1851.  In 1852 their son, Wm, was born in Glasgow and in November 1853 the three of them emigrated to Australia.
So, perhaps I should start looking for Thomas (the father's) death after the 1851 census and his wife's death after the 1871 census.
The spread of jobs is interesting: Thomas and Mary's family appeared to be the most determined to move away from weaving!
Again, thanks Joe!

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