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I like the newly reopened and restored Three Cranes as well in Rotherham, reportedly the oldest pub in Rotherham.

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Thanks Molly, that's really helpful information.

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More information on Rother Brewery (Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery site)

213-C - Title deeds to properties belonging to Rotherham Corporation
49 - Rotherham - Market Place III - Rother Brewery
Ref No   213-C/49/16
Title   Conveyance
Description   1) Thomas Marrian snr. et al.
2) Thomas Marrian and Co. Ltd.
= of premises formerly used as a steam corn mill with cottage, warehouse, office and wood turner's shop, now converted into a brewery known as Rother Brewery (565 sq. yds.) situated near the Market Place (bounds recited) with free use of a passage to the property from the Market Place, together with all boilers, machinery, etc., subject to various mortgages.
Date   30 December 1882
Access Status   Open

Assuming Thomas Marrian and Co was an established brewer somewhere else maybe

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The site was cleared shortly afterwards because the council acquired most of the property between the bank and the bridge, for redevelopment to create Corporation Street c1913-14.  Rotherham Archives has a set of deeds which shows various owners and the name Rother Brewery, 1854-98.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t8z/

Mappins would not have acquired the site, but took over the business.

"Market Place, Lyne, Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire." seems very muddled!

That's great information, thank you. Yes, I did kind of wonder how Rotherham became Lyne Greater Manchester then reverted back to South Yorkshire haha.

I know exactly where the brewery would have been and yes, it is very different now. Presumably Mappins would have bought the receipes, equipment and maybe ownership of any tied houses. I have found one tied house listing that brewery but its in Sheffield and the pub itself is no longer there.

Seems to have had official legal names but generally known as Sheffield and Rotherham brewery company. I am assuming that G G Grandpa worked for this brewery for the duration of his working life, as he seems to have worked in brewing from sometime in the 1870s through to his death. I wonder what the beer tasted like from that brewery - lost in the midst of time but chances are I suppose they would have produced the sort of bitter that was most common in Yorkshire at the time.

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A short page from Breweryhistory.com:

http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sheffield_%26_Rotherham_Brewery_Ltd

Also, from Wikipedia:
Sheffield & Rotherham Brewery Ltd, Effingham Brewery, Market Place, Lyne, Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire.   

Trading 1870 as Douglas & Co.

Registered November 1900 as R.N.Hutchinson & Co. Ltd to acquire the Effingham Brewery Co. Ltd.

New company registered as above April 1902.

Acquired by Mappin's Brewery Ltd. 1914.

That's amazing, thank you! So, seems a smallish brewery. I suppose my instincts were sort of right - it did become Mappin's but 3 years after G G Grandfather passed away. I wonder if Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery ltd had any tied house pubs in the area - I still occasionally see Mappins and more often Bentley's signs on old doors and stonework.  Guessing that having tied pubs were the done thing for breweries then as most people drank in public houses then?

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The Sheffield Daily Independent, 20th May 1911

DEATH IN THE STREET DEATH IN THE STREET . William Stanley (70), brewer’s labourer, of 66, College road, Rotherham, died suddenly in Main street yesterday morning. He was on his way home from work, having been employed during the night at the Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery, Market Place. ...

Added: I see a full clip has been posted previous page of thread, while posting this.

Thanks so much for the info as well. Now to try and find out about Sheffield and Rotherham Brewery. I didn't even know there was a brewery in that area of town before and certainly one I have never heard of. Thanks so much.

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Could this be William?



It is! Thanks so much! I have never heard of this brewery either, I was convinced in my head that it was Bentley's or Mappin's that he worked at. His son, my great grandfather George died suddenly at 47 of heart problems so the cause fits too. I knew he was still working in the 1911 census so I had a feeling it might have been some sort of sudden death. I guess retirement wasn't really an option in the days before old age pensions.

I will now try and find out about Sheffield and Rotherham Brewing company. Thanks again.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Great Great grandfather employer information (brewery)
« on: Wednesday 19 June 24 15:57 BST (UK)  »
I have ordered William's death certificate to see if it mentions who he worked for as he seemed to work in the brewing industry from 1870s to his death in 1911 so a reasonable time. No idea if a square worker was a position you worked up to or if it was just a labourer job.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Great Great grandfather employer information (brewery)
« on: Wednesday 19 June 24 15:56 BST (UK)  »
George had moved on to being a delivery driver for a mineral water company in 1921. William had passed on at that point so the mystery of which Rotherham brewer he worked for remains!


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