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Thanks to Liz and Evie for helping me out here.  :)

The answer to my question was extremely complex in the end but it's all sorted now. The confusion arose from the Garbutt Abbott habit of using either and both names in official records and inconsistently at that.  One girl was a Garbutt Abbott and the other a plain Garbutt. Confused? That's the Garbutt Abbotts for you.

Thanks to your help I've managed to unravel the connection.

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Oh my word would you believe it?
Thanks ever so much for looking this up for me - but now I don't know what to think. Looks like I need some birth certificates.

Thanks again Liz.




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Hi,

Does anyone have access to a copy of the actual 1871 Census record for Rosedale please as I would dearly like to know the relationship of the two Ann Garbutts listed to head of household Henry Garbutt and wife Mary.

Unfortunately this (see below) is all I have to go on which doesn't help deciding if the Anns listed were daughters/ grand daughters /servants or something else. Any help would be most appreciated.

Sledge Shoe House, Rosedale West Side, Yorkshire, England
Ironstone Miner. Rosedale West Sledge Shoe House
Henry Garbutt head of household 62 Ironstone PRO
Mary Garbutt 61,
Joseph Garbutt 25,
Ann Garbutt 15,
Ann Garbutt 8,
George Mackinder

Thanks again.

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Knew it!! It was Helmsley all the long.

5am 5th March 1841 Helmsley Henry Garbutt male 67 years Agricultural labourer inflammation of the lungs William Jackson in Attendance.

which pins him down nicely. Thanks to everyone who contacted me offering help. :)

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Does anyone have access to Helmsley parish records please as I’m trying to find out more detail about the person in the following death record?

1st Qtr 1841, Helmsley: Henry  GARBUTT  Vol. 24 page 282

I believe that Henry married Hannah Flintoft (nee Susannah Abbot,  1785 – 1857, Hawnby, East Moors, Yorkshire) on 19 May 1813 in the Helmsley area. Hannah (Susannah) was a widow when she married Henry having previously been married to Moses Flintoft for a brief period from 1809.

As there are several Henry Garbutts listed in the area, I’d be especially grateful for any information that could help pin down his age at the time of death. This may help reveal which Henry Garbutt he was.

Many thanks in advance for any help or advice.

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Thanks Lyn - you're a real treasure! No I didn't have these as I was still bogged down with Henry .... if you know what I mean.  :)

Goodness, so many child deaths for one family I wonder how they coped? I also came across a burial record for James Rawson at Rosedale for 1870 around the same time as these infant deaths. Perhaps there was some sort of outbreak then - tragic.

Many thanks for taking the time to look these out - your help is very much appreciated.

Kind regards,
Paula

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Thanks Lyn. What with all the confusing surnames and variations I'm thinking of joining Ryedale Family History Group. Their research room isn't that far away so it may well be worth a trip or two to Hovingham to ferret out more details.

By the way, I came across a mention of Henry Garbutt (Abbott) (1807) in the Malton Messenger the other day in a notice regarding his daughter Susannah's wedding to James Rawson (Rosen) in March 1859. It mentioned that the bride's father Henry Garbutt esq was from 'Spring Hall'. Does anyone know where Spring Hall is /was? 

With thanks,

Paula


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Lyn – thanks for the kind offer. Depending on how it goes I may take you up on it.

Scarbro – Ooh that’s intriguing!! Thank you very much for taking the trouble to look this out for me. Your theory of how all three names come together is very attractive!! Nevertheless to be absolutely certain I will order one of the children's birth certs in the hope that it will clinch it.

The sheer number of Garbutts in the area make it very difficult to trace a line especially when they seem to add and subtract other surnames as they like.  :-\



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Barbara - thanks for keeping me on track! I'll order Elizabeth's birth cert as you suggest - maybe it will do the trick.

Scarbro - The Hawby BTs are excellent aren't they. Justine's done a wonderful job. Thanks for the info on Old Byland and Bilsdale - I'll certainly give them a try.

Thanks once again everyone for all your help and advice.

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