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Glamorganshire / Re: William Jones and daughter Sarah
« on: Monday 01 February 10 13:41 GMT (UK)  »
What an interesting story re Robert Dodds Scott and wife Dinah and I thank you for that.

When I was researching the Scott side in order to arrive at when Sarah appeared on the scene, at the time I wondered about Dina and who her parents were, were they born in Merthyr etc etc but I could never come up with anything. 

When you say you have photographs, do you happen to have a photo of John Scott and one day it would be a miracle to find a photo of Sarah. My mother's sister when she died amongst her personal things were photos. Just a few of them were studio photographs with no names attached.  I know they are not on the Rees side and I wondered if one or two of them are photographs of the Scott's family who would have been known by my gt grandparents/grandparents who also lived in Merthyr and who were running the Narrow Gauge Inn at the same time as the Scotts were running their watering holes in Llanfabon, Troedyrhiw and places.  Whenever I look at a photo of my grandfather John William Rees standing outside the Narrow Gauge with son and daughter, I often wonder who the people were also included in the photo and if one of them could be one of the Scott's. They were living quite close with the George Scott who was running the Gt Western on the High Street in 1901.  So sad that John Scott died so young leaving Sarah with a big family. As you probably already know through other contacts on the Scott side, William Scott (born abt 1835) was in the American Civil War. He took part  in the Battle of Gettysburg. Sadly, he was killed at Smithfield, Virginia on 29 August 1864.

With regard to George Scott, there has been a query  that has been lying in my pending tray for simply ages and that is, do you know if he had been married before he married Mary.

If there is a photo you my care to share please let me know and you can email me it or them. If you would like to take a look at the photo of John and Sarah's son (John William Rees) taken outside the Narrow Gauge or one of two of the unnamed photos (mentioned above) then please let me know and I will email them to  you. As I said, there are only just a few of these photos. You never know, we could come up with a successful a'recognition' hit.

Good luck with tracing even further back on the Scott's side. I only know that Robert D Scott was born in Ancrum, Rosburgh in 1802 and that Dina was born in Merthyr in 1801. Nothing earlier than that.

Regards

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Glamorganshire / Re: Dick Jones
« on: Friday 15 January 10 17:37 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for responding to my last message. I can only hope that one day I will connect with the Jones family with regard to Willie Rees. as I said, someone out there will possibly have a similar photo in their albums. One day eh!

Thanks again

Helsian

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Glamorganshire / Re: Dick Jones
« on: Thursday 07 January 10 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Nigel: I confirm that the Pte 23868 William REES is my relative. As well as having a photo-card of both William and Dick Jones I can say that the photo was taken in Colwyn Bay in June 1915. I also have a copy of a message written on the postcard dated June 1915 from Dick Jones to a Miss Enid Williams, the young daughter of E A Williams, a dressmaker, who lived on The Avenue, Gwaleodygarth, Merthyr. The postcard was signed 'Uncle Dick'.

Perhaps the above bit of information will help me further to connect to the Jones family and anyone connected like the Williams family.

If I find out anything about your George Richards from the same unit I will let you know. Did George come from Merthyr? I hate these brick walls we are up against - don't you?

Happy New Year.

Helsian



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Glamorganshire / Re: Dick Jones
« on: Thursday 07 January 10 19:40 GMT (UK)  »
The 16th Welsh battalion was the Cardiff Battalion
Thank you Bernard for the very interesting information on the above Battalion. I am wondering if there were photographs taken of this Battalion prior to their going to France or was recruitment/sign-up so speedy that there were no photos taken, other than personal ones. I do have a photo of William Rees taken with Dick Jones and in the past I have always thought that it was William on the right in the photo. My cousin thought otherwise which put the doubt in my mind.  Sadly my parents have died and I am no longer able to have this confirmed.  I only hope that someone looking at this site will connect with the Jones family and will respond one day as you did. I appreciate your response.

Wishing you a Happy New Year.

helsian

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Glamorganshire / Dick Jones
« on: Sunday 20 December 09 17:41 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone living in Merthyr Tydfil connect with the the name of Dick Jones.  Dick was an old pal of William (Willie) Rees (my uncle) and they both joined up in the First World War. Their regiment was the D.Company, 16 Platoon, Cardiff City Battalion. Sadly, Willie was killed in July 1916 and I believe Dick survived. I would be grateful to hear from anyone connected.

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Glamorganshire / Re: William Jones and daughter Sarah
« on: Monday 07 December 09 16:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bolttail

As Sarah was born in Trallong/Llanwrtyd we only assume that he was living in Breconshire and probably born there. Merthyr Library have tried to help but they could not find a William Jones a butcher on any Census there that fits the bill. At the time Sarah married Wm Rees in Builth we know that her father was deceased at the time.

On looking at the marriage certificate of William to Sarah we notice that one of the witnesses was a Thomas Price. I have managed to find an 1861 census of a Price family living at Llandeilo R Fan Breconshire. The head is Margaret Price at 55 a Widow age 57 a farmer of 73 acres born Llanwrtyd. Staying with them at the time of the Census was William Jones a butcher (blind) a Widower, born Llangammarch, Brecs. 1794. Llangammarch in the Civil Parish of Llandeilo R Fan. This could be Sarah's father. This was a possible lead given to me by another contact.

I have also managed to find a record of a death in Brecknock of  a William Jones in the Apr-May-June Quarter of 1866. Age at death 72, Dist. Brecknock, County.Breconshire/Powys Vol 11b page 79. This death was in the same year and just prior to the marriage of Wm Rees and Sarah.

I have written off for a copy of the death certificate in the hope that it will give us a lead. That is precisely as far as I have got. If anything more positive comes from this lead and then I will notify you and Jere.

In the meantime, please do tell me your connection with Sarah - it would be interesting to know. I am on the Rees side.

Regards

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Glamorganshire / Re: merthyr newspapers
« on: Wednesday 25 November 09 18:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jere

I did reply recently to your enquiry but I have a feeling that you did not get the message. I have not yet got the hang of dealing with messages. I will have to check the hints and help pages on this site.

Briefly, my gt.grandparents were William and Sarah Rees (nee Scott). As you already know, she did die in 1890 at 32 Brecon Road where her daughter Mary Dinah Wiliams (nee Scott) lived with her husband Benjamin Williams, a Saddler.

Sarah's father was a William Jones, who was a butcher and who was born in Breconshire abt 1794. I am still trying to find out more about him. If I do find out I will get back to you.

I too was wondering if there was an obituary for Sarah in the local newspapers. Unfortunately I do not live in Wales so am unable to check the Merthyr Library.

Please let me know if you receive this well.

Kind regards

ceri (helsian).






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Glamorganshire / Re: William Jones and daughter Sarah
« on: Thursday 07 May 09 13:06 BST (UK)  »
First of all I must apologise for the long delay in replying. It was only just recently that I gone into the site. Up until now, you are the only one to respond and I appreciate that. You mention dead ends well I am real in the same position as you in that I still cannot make progress in finding Sarah's parents. However, I can tell you that Charles Scott (born abt 1837 was the brother of John (born abt 1825). They had other brothers and sisters.  Their parents were Robert Dodds Scott born abt. 1803 in Ancrum, Roxburgshire and died 11 March 1873 in Nelson, and Dinah Edwards born abt. 1802 Merthyr Tydfil and who died 28 Feb 1888.

John and Sarah married on 2 October 1842 at Ynysgau Chapel, Merthyr, His father Robert Scott was alive and so was her father William Jones (a butcher). They too had a large family: Charles, age 12 in 1861, George, Henry, Mary Dinah, and William.  I can't find her father anywhere but he was certainly in Merthyr when they got married.  It is a possibility that he lived in the area and was a travelling butcher or had a stall in the market place in Merthyr - the latter is more of a possibility.

As you probably already know both the Rees and Scott families were mainly licensed victuallers. The Rees family mainly in Merthyr and the Scott families in both Merthyr and surrounding areas. 

I could never understand why her birthplace was given on the census
as Trallong and Llanwrtydd - may'be boundary changes on which I am not very knowledgeable.  I did google up these places and I must admit Trallong looks interesting! It further intrigues me that William Rees married Sarah in Builth.

On other thing: I managed to track through Batch numbers and the IGI the following: 
There is a birth recorded of a Sarah Jones on 27 August 1822 and a christening on 13 September 1822 at Aber Llanvigan (Llanfeigan?)Independent Chapel, Llanfeigan  Brecon.  The parents were William Jones and Mary Jones. I have not yet followed this up.

Perhaps you have quite a lot of the information as above but it seems to me that you and I and quite a few others are stuck on Sarah's parentage.
If you manage to find out anything, meantime, please let me know. It looks as if you and I have met up with the same brick walls.  Gosh! there must be someone out there who will know the answer!

Once again I apologise for not getting back to you sooner.

Regards







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