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Steve went to the LMA yesterday and checked the St Mary Stratford Bow records for baptisms, and didn't find any "Traies".  The listing was only for St Mary, and didn't mention the other churches (Bromley St Leonard etcetera).  He checked the   records rather than the index (x97/262).
We can try and check some of these other East End churches too.

Cheers,
Sam

Hello

We have just a few more details to add about James, and one correction.

Firstly the correction: his address was Bryanston Square, not Bryanstone Square (without the "e").

A quick note about the organisation of these trade directories in the 1830s. There is a  name index that lists trades people in alphabetical order; a street index that lists all the trades people for a particular street (eg. all the business owners in Queen St.); and some also have a trade index that orders people by profession (eg all the Tin Plate Workers)

In 1834, James appears again at 37 Queen Street, Bryanston Square (in Robsons Directory).  Unlike Harrowby Street today, Queen Street in those days seems to be a shopping strip:  The street index lists a baker at no  1 , a builder at 2 , a shoemaker at no 24 , a coal merchant at 39 , a pub, "The Duke of York" at number 45 etc.

In 1835 and 1836, James is still listed in the name index of Robson's, but another business is listed in the street index at 37 Queen Street. I suspect James actually moved out of Queen St. in 1835 but the name index wasn't corrected.

There are no entries for James in any of the directories in 1837 and 1838. In 1839 and 1840 James appears at "Kensington Gravel Pits", but is listed as "Trale, James". He doesn't appear in the name index, but is listed in the trade index under "Tin Plate Workers" (Pigots and Co, National Commercial Street Directory of London) and in the street index under "Kensington Gravel Pits"

1839 appears to be the first time that Kensington Gravel Pits appears in the  Pigots Directory. So it's possible that James moved as early as 1835, but perhaps Kensington wasn't developed enough to be included in a London directory.

Cheers
Sam

Actually , my partner steve works near the Guildhall Library in the city and they have a rich set of early London trade directories including Pigot's. He's going to check to see whether James is listed in any earlier ones on Monday. His listing in 1828 (Queen St. bryanstone square) is now Harrowby St , westminster (W1H) off edgeware road. Type Harrowby street into google maps and compare it to the Queen street listed in  this 1824 map of London ..

http://www.oldlondonmaps.com/greenwoodpages/greenwoodnorth18b.html

I did take a look at Harrowby street ... nothing that seems to have survived from 1828.

cheers
sam

I had a quick look at the Tower Hamlets local history library and checked out the St Mary Stratford Bow baptisms, and didn't find anything.  However, there were missing records, and I suspect they were more imcomplete than indicated.  So, it's definitely worth trying them again at the LMA. What was useful though, is they suggested the best place (or perhaps only place) for Mile End records in that period is the Parish of St Dunstan, Stepney. I did try to look at those in the Tower Hamlets library, but they were just too hard to read.

It's funny that if you type "Hannah Sutton" into FamilySearch, it gives you Ann Sutton records.  There was one  Christened in Shoreditch, but of course, there would be no way of knowing if it's her.

Kerry,  I would like to have a copy of Samuel and Anne's death certificates, if you don't mind. Thanks