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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: william williamson born 1878
« on: Wednesday 11 January 12 14:47 GMT (UK) »
I show a William born 22 Feb 1878 in Elgin. He married Elizabeth Watson also born in Elgin.
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Warwickshire / Re: Tube Drawer in Birmingham
« on: Friday 20 February 09 16:16 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your input. Much appreciated.
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Warwickshire / Re: Tube Drawer in Birmingham
« on: Friday 20 February 09 01:29 GMT (UK) »
Now that you mentioned it, the work "Pudd" is not written in the same hand as the enumerator. Thank you for that clarification.
I'm leaning towards the cycle industry. A Google search enabled me to find some history on "Cycle Manufacturers in Birmingham that may apply.
Regards,
Gail
I'm leaning towards the cycle industry. A Google search enabled me to find some history on "Cycle Manufacturers in Birmingham that may apply.
Regards,
Gail
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Warwickshire / Re: Tube Drawer in Birmingham
« on: Wednesday 18 February 09 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your replies.
You learn something new every day! Jim, I was unaware that Birmingham was also part of the gun trade.
Found the web site extremely helpful and informative. Thank you for the link. Perhaps he was also a 'puddler'
I went through other records (BMD's) and found from 1890 to 1901 he is listed as a 'Engine Fitter - Journeyman' and 'tube drawer - journeyman', with the exception of his wife's death registration (1902) as being a 'bicycle maker's labourer'. His own death registration in 1907 states 'tube drawer'.
After his wife's death, an application was made to Barnardo's orphanage . However, seeing that he made 25 shillings a week as a tube drawer, the case was declined. Was 25 shillings more than adequate, compared to other occupations during this time frame?
Next question - Is there an on-line directory listing manufacturer's in B'ham? They resided in the St. George District.
Thank you.
Gail
Snowy day......
You learn something new every day! Jim, I was unaware that Birmingham was also part of the gun trade.
Found the web site extremely helpful and informative. Thank you for the link. Perhaps he was also a 'puddler'
I went through other records (BMD's) and found from 1890 to 1901 he is listed as a 'Engine Fitter - Journeyman' and 'tube drawer - journeyman', with the exception of his wife's death registration (1902) as being a 'bicycle maker's labourer'. His own death registration in 1907 states 'tube drawer'.
After his wife's death, an application was made to Barnardo's orphanage . However, seeing that he made 25 shillings a week as a tube drawer, the case was declined. Was 25 shillings more than adequate, compared to other occupations during this time frame?
Next question - Is there an on-line directory listing manufacturer's in B'ham? They resided in the St. George District.
Thank you.
Gail
Snowy day......
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Wiltshire / MILES Family - Hullavington
« on: Tuesday 17 February 09 23:47 GMT (UK) »
Looking for any information on the family of Allan Henry West Miles.
Allan was born in 1901 and christened 1902 at Hullavington. Parents are: Septimus Miles and Jane Elizabeth West. Allan, his wife Elliott and family (3 children) lived in the Chippenham area.
Thank you in advance.
Gail
Ontario, Canada
Allan was born in 1901 and christened 1902 at Hullavington. Parents are: Septimus Miles and Jane Elizabeth West. Allan, his wife Elliott and family (3 children) lived in the Chippenham area.
Thank you in advance.
Gail
Ontario, Canada
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Warwickshire / Tube Drawer in Birmingham
« on: Tuesday 17 February 09 23:40 GMT (UK) »
Hello - My Great Grandfather's occupation is listed as Tube Drawer in various records. However, appearing in the 1901 Census, the enumerator wrote beside the above mentioned occupation the word "Pudd". Is this the name of employment?
Also, on the death registration of his daughter (1902), occupation is recorded as "labourer at Tube Works of Birmingham"? Is anyone familiar with this company and where was it located in Birmingham?
Thank you in advance.
Gail
Ontario, Canada
Also, on the death registration of his daughter (1902), occupation is recorded as "labourer at Tube Works of Birmingham"? Is anyone familiar with this company and where was it located in Birmingham?
Thank you in advance.
Gail
Ontario, Canada
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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: william williamson born 1878
« on: Monday 12 January 09 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tom
Found this among my paper collection.
A passenger list for George Watson and family (Ticket # 159). They sailed from Liverpool on 24 April 1887 on the S. S. Sardinian for Halifax, N.S. Also travelling with George was William Watson (ticket # 159a) and James Watson (ticket # 160) with their respective families - they were headed for Toronto.
You can view and save the original at: www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html
Click on Canadian Genealogy Centre - immigration and citizenship - passenger lists 1865 - 1935. From here you should be able to navigate to the "search" button. You want reel C-4513.
Perhaps you can find additional passenger lists for these families.
Happy searching,
Gail
Found this among my paper collection.
A passenger list for George Watson and family (Ticket # 159). They sailed from Liverpool on 24 April 1887 on the S. S. Sardinian for Halifax, N.S. Also travelling with George was William Watson (ticket # 159a) and James Watson (ticket # 160) with their respective families - they were headed for Toronto.
You can view and save the original at: www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html
Click on Canadian Genealogy Centre - immigration and citizenship - passenger lists 1865 - 1935. From here you should be able to navigate to the "search" button. You want reel C-4513.
Perhaps you can find additional passenger lists for these families.
Happy searching,
Gail
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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: william williamson born 1878
« on: Wednesday 07 January 09 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tom,
I too have inherited a box of photo's that once belonged to my great grandmother Mary Williamson. She is the daughter of Lindsay Williamson (niece of Thomas born 1826). They include photos of Lindsay, his daughter Mary and niece Mary Ann (dau. of Thomas and Margaret (Lindsay) , in addition to cousins etc.. Many of are unknown to me, however, two years ago another cousin [Margaret] was overwhelmed to find within my collection, pictures of her father, siblings and yes her grandmother Mary Ann Williamson (as above). One never knows, perhaps your family are in my little shoe box too! Would love to exchange. Margaret will be overjoyed when I tell her about you. You both share a common ancestors.
Interesting it is thought William Williamson died at sea. That has been a theory of mine for a number of years. Also, it is possible that Mary Stewart is the second wife of William, as he was much older than she (as per the 1851 Scotland Census).
Thomas's birth year was determined by census records and the age of death (My records state 1826).
It is unlikely that Mount Royal will provide tombstone inscriptions for two reasons. One - they are too busy and Two - they are now illegible (especially that of Thomas). Their records show Thomas died at the age of 60. However, I can provide you with his burial record --
THOMAS WILLIAMSON of the city of Montreal, horsedealer, died on the first day of December in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six, and was buried by me on the third day of the same month in the presence of
Wm. J. Smyth
Minister
Calvin Church, Montreal, Quebec
George Watson (his signature)
James Williamson (his signature)
Burial record for Mary Stewart Williamson --
MARY STEWART WILLIAMSON, relict of the late William Williamson, Ireland, died on the eleventh day of November in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six and was buried by me on the twelfth day of the same month in the presence of
Wm. J. Smyth
Minister
Calvin Church, Montreal, Quebec
James Williamson (his signature)
The tombstone reads as follows --
In Memory of, WILLIAM WILLIAMSON, of Invergordon Scotland, aged 85 years,
And His Wife,
MARY STEWART, Who Died at Montreal, Nov. 12 1886, aged 90 years.
[Note - the burial date was given as the death date]
Just a few of the many, many records I have in my possession.
Can you tell me when and where William Williamson and Elizabeth Watson married. I show she died 20 Oct 1929 and William on 7 Jan 1953. How many children did they have?
Any additional on Thomas Williamson and Rachel would be appreciated. I have the following:
Married 20 July 1903 in Renfrew, Ontario. Children: Ethel Rachel Victoria b 17 April 1906 Toronto; Mary 3 Nov 1907 Toronto & Margaret Joan 25 July 1909 Marina Village, Hastings Co., Ontario.
Have you traced the Watson and McMillan families?
Look forward to hearing from you,
Gail
I too have inherited a box of photo's that once belonged to my great grandmother Mary Williamson. She is the daughter of Lindsay Williamson (niece of Thomas born 1826). They include photos of Lindsay, his daughter Mary and niece Mary Ann (dau. of Thomas and Margaret (Lindsay) , in addition to cousins etc.. Many of are unknown to me, however, two years ago another cousin [Margaret] was overwhelmed to find within my collection, pictures of her father, siblings and yes her grandmother Mary Ann Williamson (as above). One never knows, perhaps your family are in my little shoe box too! Would love to exchange. Margaret will be overjoyed when I tell her about you. You both share a common ancestors.
Interesting it is thought William Williamson died at sea. That has been a theory of mine for a number of years. Also, it is possible that Mary Stewart is the second wife of William, as he was much older than she (as per the 1851 Scotland Census).
Thomas's birth year was determined by census records and the age of death (My records state 1826).
It is unlikely that Mount Royal will provide tombstone inscriptions for two reasons. One - they are too busy and Two - they are now illegible (especially that of Thomas). Their records show Thomas died at the age of 60. However, I can provide you with his burial record --
THOMAS WILLIAMSON of the city of Montreal, horsedealer, died on the first day of December in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six, and was buried by me on the third day of the same month in the presence of
Wm. J. Smyth
Minister
Calvin Church, Montreal, Quebec
George Watson (his signature)
James Williamson (his signature)
Burial record for Mary Stewart Williamson --
MARY STEWART WILLIAMSON, relict of the late William Williamson, Ireland, died on the eleventh day of November in the year one thousand eight hundred and eighty-six and was buried by me on the twelfth day of the same month in the presence of
Wm. J. Smyth
Minister
Calvin Church, Montreal, Quebec
James Williamson (his signature)
The tombstone reads as follows --
In Memory of, WILLIAM WILLIAMSON, of Invergordon Scotland, aged 85 years,
And His Wife,
MARY STEWART, Who Died at Montreal, Nov. 12 1886, aged 90 years.
[Note - the burial date was given as the death date]
Just a few of the many, many records I have in my possession.
Can you tell me when and where William Williamson and Elizabeth Watson married. I show she died 20 Oct 1929 and William on 7 Jan 1953. How many children did they have?
Any additional on Thomas Williamson and Rachel would be appreciated. I have the following:
Married 20 July 1903 in Renfrew, Ontario. Children: Ethel Rachel Victoria b 17 April 1906 Toronto; Mary 3 Nov 1907 Toronto & Margaret Joan 25 July 1909 Marina Village, Hastings Co., Ontario.
Have you traced the Watson and McMillan families?
Look forward to hearing from you,
Gail
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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: william williamson born 1878
« on: Wednesday 07 January 09 01:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tom,
I know the area very well. Grew up as a kid in the Midland/Lawrence area. Attended Winston Churchill CI and Stephen Leacock CI in Agincourt.
The information you found at the Moray Heritage Centre has been kindly supplied by my cousin in Scotland, who in turn received a large portion of my research records. We've been collabrating our finds for several years now. Personally, I have worked on this branch for 10+ years and have an extensive collection of this branch and all branches connected within (ie. McMillan, Stewart, Watson, Jamieson, McNeil.....)
I don't have an exact birth date or place of birth for Mary Stewart (dau. of Alexander) nor an exact date of birth for her father. It is probable that she has a sister -- I show Betsy Stewart (dau. of Alexander). Betsy's daughter married one of Mary's sons (Charles). William and Mary had seven sons and one daughter [John, Thomas, Isaac, Alexander, James, Charles, Lindsay and Margaret] Five of the seven sons travelled to Canada during their lifetime and had children born/ died here. Two of the sons are buried in Toronto, one in Port Perry, one in Montreal and the remaining in Inverness and Tain, Scotland.
Needless to say, William Williamson has been very difficult to research. He died prior to his wife. When and where has not been determined (one possible theory is at sea). Still searching for his wife Mary (Stewart) in the 1861, 1871 and 1881 Scotland census (for clues) to no avail. I do have pictures of Thomas and his mother's (Mary Stewart) gravestone. William is mentioned in memory. Did the cemetery send you the other burial records?
Circumstantial evidence suggests William is the son of James Williamson and Margaret McMillan. Children of this couple have been strongly connected with William's family, both in Scotland and in North America.
Oral history tells the story of the Williamson's coming to Canada and buying horses to send back to Scotland. One such story, is how they sold horses (from Alberta) to the Canadian Military (overseas) during World War 1. Unfortunately, the army was unaware these fine specimens were "wild untrained horses" who bucked the soldiers off their backs. From the 1920's on wards, some were living in Kentucky breeding race horses.
You can now search the early passenger lists to Canada on-line at the Library and Archives of Canada (free site) or Ancestry (subscription). The latter is a wonderful resource, with digitized records of vitals, census records, passenger lists, boarder crossings etc. They do offer a free trial period.
Regards,
Gail
I know the area very well. Grew up as a kid in the Midland/Lawrence area. Attended Winston Churchill CI and Stephen Leacock CI in Agincourt.
The information you found at the Moray Heritage Centre has been kindly supplied by my cousin in Scotland, who in turn received a large portion of my research records. We've been collabrating our finds for several years now. Personally, I have worked on this branch for 10+ years and have an extensive collection of this branch and all branches connected within (ie. McMillan, Stewart, Watson, Jamieson, McNeil.....)
I don't have an exact birth date or place of birth for Mary Stewart (dau. of Alexander) nor an exact date of birth for her father. It is probable that she has a sister -- I show Betsy Stewart (dau. of Alexander). Betsy's daughter married one of Mary's sons (Charles). William and Mary had seven sons and one daughter [John, Thomas, Isaac, Alexander, James, Charles, Lindsay and Margaret] Five of the seven sons travelled to Canada during their lifetime and had children born/ died here. Two of the sons are buried in Toronto, one in Port Perry, one in Montreal and the remaining in Inverness and Tain, Scotland.
Needless to say, William Williamson has been very difficult to research. He died prior to his wife. When and where has not been determined (one possible theory is at sea). Still searching for his wife Mary (Stewart) in the 1861, 1871 and 1881 Scotland census (for clues) to no avail. I do have pictures of Thomas and his mother's (Mary Stewart) gravestone. William is mentioned in memory. Did the cemetery send you the other burial records?
Circumstantial evidence suggests William is the son of James Williamson and Margaret McMillan. Children of this couple have been strongly connected with William's family, both in Scotland and in North America.
Oral history tells the story of the Williamson's coming to Canada and buying horses to send back to Scotland. One such story, is how they sold horses (from Alberta) to the Canadian Military (overseas) during World War 1. Unfortunately, the army was unaware these fine specimens were "wild untrained horses" who bucked the soldiers off their backs. From the 1920's on wards, some were living in Kentucky breeding race horses.
You can now search the early passenger lists to Canada on-line at the Library and Archives of Canada (free site) or Ancestry (subscription). The latter is a wonderful resource, with digitized records of vitals, census records, passenger lists, boarder crossings etc. They do offer a free trial period.
Regards,
Gail
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