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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Tailors Asylum
« on: Monday 08 April 13 16:29 BST (UK)  »
Robert & Valda

I wonder how you got on?  I have just found out that several of my ancestors died in Taylors Asylum - principally Mary Buckton (widow) of John Buckton, tailor, 1885.  How complete were the records?  I am disabled so getting to see any records physically is very difficult.  Any help would be appreciated and reciprocated

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Tipperary / John Kirby (Kerby, Kerbey) son of James Kerby
« on: Friday 20 August 10 09:34 BST (UK)  »
Looking for a starting point to trace John Kirby (1835-1893) born Tipperary (but where?) and also his subsequent wife Johanna Julia Moore (1846-1892) also born Tipperary, daughter of John Moore (More) and Jane Forrester, John and Johanna married 1865 in Wolverhampton (catholic church).  I am unable to travel due to disability so any help would be appreciated.

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World War One / Re: 3 grandfathers in World War I
« on: Sunday 09 November 08 13:45 GMT (UK)  »
Bless you both !!!  Ahhha !! well I cheated a bit, one was grandfather in law !!!  He was quite famous in the family, as he had a metal plate inserted in his head (which must have been unique in 1917 - but he survived to aged 80)

Thanks very much, I am away again.

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World War One / 3 grandfathers in World War I
« on: Sunday 09 November 08 13:26 GMT (UK)  »
I have found 3 grandfathers, their rank, regimental nos on the Medal Rolls; there are some numbers alongside e.g. F/2/4/58 and underneath F/101 Bn, page 975, what do these numbers mean? and how do I progress to finding more information.  Have tried the Regimental archives for the 3 regiments but it doesn't enable you to search.  One was L/Cpl Frederick Law, reg.  no. 8914, BEF campaign, lst Btn Staffordshire Regiment,, 2nd was Alfred Samuel Raby, RASC, regi. no. 151264, died 1919, and third is Alfred E. Lester (private) Worcestershire Regiment, no. 30992, and gives nos. L/102, B33, page 7234, SWB List L/A/55; last one (Alfred E. Lester) was injured at Ypres, and discharged unfit to serve.

All 3 survived the war, one dying in 1919; where do I go from here?  Bit green here !!!

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Eastville Workhouse Bristol
« on: Sunday 31 August 08 05:41 BST (UK)  »
Pat:

Thanks so much; I told a family member yesterday I thought I had come to a full stop but then a message from you.....  I am off and running again..... :)

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Eastville Workhouse Bristol
« on: Wednesday 30 July 08 17:18 BST (UK)  »
My grandmother's birth cert. says mother Annie Smith, no father and she was born only 3 years after Richard's 2nd marriage (to Elizabeth Lewis) and as Elizabeth's age then was 40 and I could find no trace of children it seems possible she was past child bearing age, but ~Richard was not !!!!  he went on to have 13 more children with his 3rd ??? wife but then she was younger than him !!!

The marriage you found in Chard was Richard's first marriage to Anna and was where I got all the info. about her first marriage and the prison officer's demise and her maiden name being Styles.  So you are right unless I can find some other record of grandmother's origin (perhaps parish records at Eastville or even the 1911 census when it comes out, I am stuck but grandmother was a ground breaker; my grandfather had a difficult time trying to control her; she was a nurse in the Spanish Civil War and also a suffragette in Birmingham - she had nothing to reproach herself for; I only wish I could have told her so.  Everything has been so well hidden.

Thanks for your help anyway.  It was only by talking to someone on Ancestry who suggested I had to look laterally for the answer that I even got started.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Eastville Workhouse Bristol
« on: Wednesday 30 July 08 16:29 BST (UK)  »
Yes, I know it is confusing, and I have only got this far by x-referencing all the facts but other than grandmother I think they stack up.  So, Richard Bartlett's first marriage was to Annie Maria Smith (widow of Edward Smith and mother of Annie Maria) got marriage certificate and also birth cert of Annie Maria (daughter).  Edward Smith was killed in Portland Prison in 1881 where he was a prison officer (backed up by death cert. and post mortem result).  Anna Maria Smith (his widow) then marries Richard Bartlett in 1885 (his first marriage, her 2nd) and Annie Maria would be Richard's step-daughter then aged 10.  I haven't found a record of the marriage of Richard to his step-daughter (following her mother's death in childbirth in 1890 (I have searched and searched) but have all the certificates of the children of that issue.  Now whether Annie Maria then gives birth to my grandmother, Ada Smith - gives her her maiden name or perhaps she was not married to Richard at that time, or perhaps it was not her child anyway, just coincidental surname Smith in 1895. 

To complicate matters still further it seems possible that Richard Bartlett had a second marriage to an Elizabeth Lewis (both in 1892 living at The Albert, Marlborough Street) when he was 28 and a widower and Elizabeth Lewis was a widow - his father, Theophilus was a witness together with Richard's brother, so it all ties in but where did wife no. 2  go and did she (go)? perhaps Richard was not free to marry his step-daughter, who knows?  It seems I have proof of everything other than who exactly was my grandmother's father.

Hope you are enjoying this !!!!!!  I think it is nearly as good as WDYTYA !!!

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Eastville Workhouse Bristol
« on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:42 BST (UK)  »
Whoops, looks like it was a big leap of faith.  Her mother is given on birth certificate as Annie Smith - unoccupied - she then appears on 1901c (still named Smith) but living with Bartlett family at 2 Stracey Street, Ashton Gate, Bristol. (wife of the head of the family (coincidence or not) was Annie M. Smith - who may have been step-daughter of Richard Bartlett whose first wife (Anna Maria Smith - nee Styles died in childbirth.   If she was the daughter of Annie M. Smith then I can go back 3/4 generations, if not, I am up a gum tree.  She did not take the Bartlett name until 1919 when she married.  Shortly before she died she referred to herself as a "foundling" and there being a family secret.  I am coming to Bristol next week but where to start?

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Eastville Workhouse Bristol
« on: Wednesday 30 July 08 14:51 BST (UK)  »
I always was a late arrival - only just found your conversation(s) and wondered if this fills a void for me ??? my grandmother was stated on her birth certificate as being born 29 December 1895 Victoria House, Napier Road, Eastville - might this be the workhouse? or is that too big a leap of faith?   Her mother is stated as "no occupation" and no father details, so I have been stuck for a long time with this one.   She is on the census 1901 (aged 5) and living with a family in Bristol I always thought belonged to her but she did not take their surname until she married in 1919, if she was born in the workhouse how do I find out who she actually was.  She alluded to a "family secret" and being a foundling shortly before she died.  I am visiting Bristol in a couple of days and hope to find out something but a starting point would help no end.

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