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Australia / Re: Vic birth look up - Bert Marshall HAWKEN
« on: Monday 29 September 14 13:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi eramophia - Bert Marshall Hawken was adopted his name at birth was Samuel Michael Hill born 5 Jul 1909 to his birth mother Florence Hill (age 20) from Bendigo Victoria, then adopted by Albert William Bonear Hawken and his second wife Matilda Tillie Gray.

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Please disregard part of the last entry by me.  Benjamin Cheater died in the same area as his mother was living in Essex in 12 Dec 1859 in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England.  While he did go to Dorset Jail on the 24 Jan 1833 it was just for 2 months and can be found in the 1841 Census there as Ben Cheater with an occupation of a Carpenter.  So what I said about going as a convict to Australia is incorrect.  I do believe when his step father (Stephen King) died in 1848 he went back to live with his mother and changed his surname to his mother's married surname William Sloper King in the 1851 Census as it has him as an occupation of Carpenter with the age and birth place matching him.  I found that he was a witness also to his Step brother William King who married Claretta Drake in St Andrew Holborn in 1851 he witnessed together again with his Step sister Eliza Jane Sloper King….

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I forgot to mention that I had a look at the second witness to the marriage of Stephen Henry Allen to Emily and the witness would you believe is a Benjamin "Cheater"……….. :o  The only trace after that is a conviction and sent to jail in Dorset and later another conviction where he was transported to New South Wales Australia in which he got life.  After the first conviction he seems to have changed his name to Benjamin Chater………He served 10 years and was given a Pardon…..I am still looking at that.

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Thank You Heather….. :-*looks like you have the correct one I am looking for in Stephen Allen and Anna nee Sloper and two of their children………you are very kind to have followed that through for me………….If you have been following what jrc11 and I have been looking at last night very late I located who the marriage witness "Eliza Jane Sloper King" in the marriage of Stephen Henry King to Emily Jane King and it is her sister………………Emily Jane King married Stephen Henry Allen 16 May 1850 (totally out of the district in St Holborn) perhaps because she was having a baby Charles Henry Allen at the time……………Emily Jane King died in Oct 1850 in Pewsey and the child Charles Henry Allen went to live with Emily Jane King parents who are John King and Mary nee Sloper………………….now I found the marriages for John and Mary King ………………John King married Mary Cheater 6 May 1817 in Milton Lilbourne both were widows…………………Mary Cheater nee Sloper 1st marriage was to William Cheater on the 12 Nov 1808 in Market Lavington,……I have located the 1841 Census for John and Mary King……….Detail: Class: HO107; Piece: 1186; Book: 16; Civil Parish: Wilsford; County: Wiltshire; Enumeration District: 9; Page: 3; Line: 7; GSU roll: 464202………………….which has another son Charles King born about 1816 but I am not sure if he belongs to John King's first wife or Mary Sloper his second wife………….Mary Sloper is the sister of Anna that married Stephen Allen……………I would love to know who John Kings first wife was if you have anything on Charles born 1816 in Wilcot…………..Thank you very much again Heather and jrc11………….. ;D

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Hi jrc11…………..Another possibility would be Mary was a widow when she married a "King"…………and that the listed Charles H Allen "Grandson" to the Head Mary King could have been one of her daughters that married an "Allen" and had a child that was sent to live with them?………I thought of that one just going to sleep last night!!

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Hi jrc11……..The Eliza Jane Sloper King's mother is listed as Mary King and she was born in Bishop Cannings so could be perhaps the Mary Sloper first born to Silas and Mary who married the King………..In 1851 Census -Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1704; Folio: 48; Page: 37; GSU roll: 193612………………it has (1) Mary King, Widow, Head, b. 1781 (2) William Sloper King b. abt 1811 in East Lavington, Wiltshire "Son" (3) William King b.1820 in Swallowcliffe, Wiltshire (Son), (4) Eliza J S King b.1825 in Swallowcliffe, Wiltshire (dau), Charles H Allen b. 1850 Pewsey, Wiltshire (Grandson)……..This Charles H Allen seems to live with Eliza J S King in the 1861 & 1871 Census's………………It's been a while since I wrote in Rootschat - Can you tell me the shortcut for making a "New Sentence" line?

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http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/placeW/essexw02f.html - found a mention of a Mrs Eliza Jane Sloper King, beer retailer, sewardstone street, in the Post Office Directory of Essex in 1874………..

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Hi jrc11…………..Interesting………..I went to look up the marriage in St Andrew, Holborn of the son Stephen Allen that married Emily Jane King and in has in the Witness's an Eliza Jane Sloper King signing as a witness………………sounds promising?………While I was just about to post this I can see that you posted Anna Sloper christening………. ???……….was she actually Anna all along and it was a mistake to write Hannah Sloper as marrying Stephen Bolding as it should have been "Anna"

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Hi jrc11……………..This is whom I believe to be the parents not the brother as William was born abt between 1823/1826 and whom I believe to be the mother "Anna" is her "also known as" and should be actually "Hannah"………….in the 1861 Census she is boarding with a Charles Page and it says her birth was Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire, England…….In the 1841 Census - Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1186; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Wilcott; County: Wiltshire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 15; Page: 23; Line: 1; GSU roll: 464202………………...it has Stephen and wife "Ann" with daughter Mary and son Stephen…………………….I found William Allen age 15 working as a Agricultural Labourer in 1841 Census - Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1186; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Wilcott; County: Wiltshire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 15; Page: 23; Line: 1; GSU roll: 464202…………..The Stephen Henry Allen you noted as "W" (Widow) unfortunately married an Emily Jane nee King and she died in the Oct 1850 quarter Volume 8 Page 277 Registration District Pewsey……..They were married in St Andrew Holborn, London, England on the 16 May 1850…………….Cheers Gaynor50….. :-\

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