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Flintshire Lookup Requests / Re: Crofts Family of Broughton
« on: Thursday 01 April 10 08:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks JeannieR - very kind of you to have taken the trouble to look into this for me. It's the sort of generous assistance that makes forums like this so enjoyable to take part in. Best wishes to you, and good luck in your own researches.

For others interested in this family group, I should mention that a 'Crofts' family lived in the Mollington/Backford/Lea areas of Cheshire from the early 1800s onwards, with some researchers suggesting a link, a generation earlier, with a family recorded living in Broughton (Flintshire). I'd always resisted making this connection myself, although my ancestor Peter Croft (b. Backford 1813) had parents named 'Samuel' and 'Margaret' who would appear to tally with individuals recorded in the IGI, who married at Hawarden in 1801, and that this 'Samuel' was baptised at Broughton in 1779 -  his wife 'Margaret' probably being 'Margaret Lindsley' as other researchers have noted. Although neither the 1841 or 1861 census returns for Mollington/Backford give any definite evidence of Croft individuals being born in Flintshire, the compelling evidence for Samuel Crofts being the same one baptised at Broughton would appear to be furnished by the age given at his death at Mollington, in 1837*, which tallies exactly with the 1779 birth of the Broughton Samuel Croft. This, together with Peter Croft's mother being named 'Margaret' seems to draw all these suggested links together. Looking at a map. the proximity of these various townships to the Welsh border seems to suggest that it would perhaps have been common for families to move back and forth - although the Crofts were more likely to have been essentially English in origin than Welsh. If anyone has any documentary evidence for Croft family members in Mollington/Backford having Broughton/Hawarden origins, it would be of great interest.

*Samuel died of consumption at Glebe Cottage, Coalpit Lane, Mollington, 6 Dec 1837 (aged 58). His son Samuel (b. 1802) died there 16 Sept 1886. Glebe Cottage stood until about 10 years ago, when it was demolished (!) and a new residence built on the site. Luckily, someone was kind enough to send me a photo of it prior to its destruction. The only other remaining Croft residence remaining in the Mollington area, stands next to the Mollington Banastre Hotel and is still identical in layout to its representation on the 1830s tithe map.

The details for Samuel's will read:

Title: Will of Samuel CROFT (ca.1802)
Page: 10 September 1886

Note: 'I Samuel Croft of Coalpit Lane, Great Mollington in the County of
Chester, Farmer, hereby revoke all wills, codicills and other
testamentary dispositions heretofore made by me and declare this to
be my last will and testament.
I hereby direct that after my death all my estate (illegible) or
personal whatsoever and wheresoever, (together with the oven and
grate in kitchen) shall be sold by public auction by Messrs.
Pickering and Nightingale Auctioneers of St. Werburgh Street in the
City of Chester.
I direct that all my funeral and testamentary expenses shall be paid
out of the proceeds of the said sale, together with the sum of two
pounds to Eliza Moody, wife of George Moody, Gardener, Mollington,
and also the sum of ten shillings to the executor of this my will. I
direct that the remainder of the said proceeds, together with any
insurance or other money that may be due to me, shall be placed in
(illegible) Parr's Bank, Eastgate Street, Chester, as a deposit
account bearing interest. And I direct that such deposit and interest
shall accumulate for the period of ten years after my decease, the
fund then existing to be disposed of in manner following.
I give devise and bequeath one half of the said fund to the Chester
Infirmary, and I give devise and bequeath the other half of the said
fund to the trustees for the time being of the Mollington Infant
School, expressly for the educational purposes of the said school.
And I hereby appoint Arthur Hughson of Lea by Backford, Land
Surveyor, in the said County of Chester, and William Davies, High
Looms(?) Farm, Mollington, my executors. And I direct that my
executors shall give to George Moody, before mentioned, a hive of
bees. In witness whereof I, the said Samuel Croft, have to this my
last will and testament set my hand the tenth day of September in the
year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighty six.

Samuel Croft.

Signed by the said testator Samuel Croft, as and for his last will
and testament, in the presence of us who at his request in his
presence, and in the presence of each other, have hereunto subscribed
our names. Witnesses - William Pryce, Station Master Mollington,
William Haigh, joiner, Mollington.

Proved at Chester the 1st day of October 1886 by the oaths of Arthur
Hughson and William Davies, the Executors, to whom Administration was
granted.

The testator Samuel Croft was late of Coalpit Lane, Mollington, in
the County of Chester, Farmer, and died on the 16th day of September
1886, at Coalpit Lane, aforesaid.

Gross amount £92.3.9

E. B(illegible) Solicitor, Chester

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Flintshire Lookup Requests / Crofts Family of Broughton
« on: Tuesday 30 March 10 16:22 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I wondered if anyone had a baptism reference for the following individual:

Peter Crofts (b. 1754: Broughton, Flintshire) prob. baptised Hawarden

or a record of a 'Crofts' marriage in the Broughton/Hawarden area immediately prior to this date.

Peter Croft's name turns up in several people's family trees, but without any indication of his parents' names, so I thought I'd ask if anyone had had any success in finding out.

Thanks.

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Lancashire / Re: Liverpool Death 1829-1830
« on: Friday 13 February 09 19:50 GMT (UK)  »
It's amazing what can turn up in a simple Google search. I was looking for information about the address where Eliza Eliis (nee Clark) died in New Brighton, 1894, and found this 1900 postcard (from the same address: 19 Higher Parade)

http://www.newbrightonpostcards.org.uk/big.php?cardId=000054&cardFace=f

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Lancashire / Re: Liverpool Death 1829-1830
« on: Friday 13 February 09 19:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hutchin, sorry to hear about the bereavement. I'll post anything I manage to dig up on the Ellis' here.

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Lancashire / Re: Liverpool Death 1829-1830
« on: Friday 13 February 09 17:52 GMT (UK)  »
Found her in FreeBMD. She was born in 1814, so she must have been Graham Lister Ellis' mother - Eliza Clark.

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Lancashire / Re: Liverpool Death 1829-1830
« on: Friday 13 February 09 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
My thanks to all those correspondents who have given up their time to look into the 'Graham Lister Ellis Mystery', and have come up with some fascinating information. I'm going to follow up on a few interesting leads, and will post back here if I find anything substantial. Firstly, I'll be taking a look at his wife's death certificate (from 1899) to see if he was still on the scene at that point. A Ken suggests, I'll also check out the probate records to see who Eliza Ellis was - and to which member of the Ellis family she was married to. Thanks again to you all.

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Lancashire / Re: Liverpool Death 1829-1830
« on: Friday 13 February 09 09:12 GMT (UK)  »
My brother in law's Ellis ancestry, is via his father (George Ellis) and Ivy Owen. George's father was George Ellis (b. L'pool: 1885) the son of Graham Lister Ellis and Sophia Jane Cowley. George married Ann Thompson in 1908. As many correspondents have noted, Graham Lister Ellis seems to disappear following the 1891 census, although we know that his wife died in 1899. What I can't explain is the curious estrangement from his family which seems to have taken place, and their seeming decline in fortunes - as evidenced from this info from the 1901 census, where his daughter Florence has assumed a role as head of the household.

2 Canson St, Everton, Liverpool (1901)

Florence ELLIS (Head)
single
a. 33
b. L’pool

May WARREN (sister)
widow
a. 32
b. L’pool

Ernest ELLIS (brother)
single
a. 26
occ: Cotton Porter (Dock)
b. L’pool

Emily ELLIS (sister)
single
a. 21
b. L’pool

Reginald ELLIS (brother)
single
a. 18
occ: Cotton Porter (Dock)
b. L’pool

George ELLIS (brother)
single
a.16
occ: Cotton Porter (Dock)
b. L’pool

William WARREN (nephew)
a. 7
b. L’pool

Charles WARREN (nephew)
a. 3
b. L’pool

Francis CLARK (boarder)
a. 18
Occ: Cigarette maker
b. L’pool

Initially I had though that Graham Lister Ellis had also died (although I could find no notice of his death having occurred anywhere) then with the recent release of the 1911 census, was amazed to find him living at an address in Fylde! Can anyone help explain this odd turn of events? Or suggest where he may have been in 1901? Many thanks.

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Lancashire / Re: Liverpool Death 1829-1830
« on: Thursday 12 February 09 19:10 GMT (UK)  »
The descendancy of Lister Ellis (d. 1828) is of interest to me, as my brother in law is a (Liverpool-born) direct descendant of this individual, and I've been researching his family history for him. What I find particularly intriguing, is the mystery of Graham Lister Ellis (grandson of Lister Ellis), who disappears from the records in about 1901 - his family having been, at least up to 1891, quite comfortably well off (he being an architect/surveyor by profession) - but seemingly he had left his family in the lurch, with most of them ending up working as porters at Liverpool Docks! At first, I presumed Graham Lister Ellis had died, or had maybe even ended up in prison, but with the recent release of the 1911 census, I found that he was very much still alive and living somewhere up the Lancashire coast. Does anyone have any light they could cast on this curious turn of events? Many thanks.

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