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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Saturday 05 November 22 11:16 GMT (UK)  »
Although Eliza’s parents can’t be found in Bath after her baptism, she appears to marry 20 years later in the same parish and a relative of her mother appears to be a witness. If her mother died while Eliza was a baby, her mother’s relatives may have looked after her.  I think her father may be the following William.
http://www.trease.org.uk/trt/trt17w_gg.htm#18w_sa
If so, Eliza’s mother may have died soon after Eliza’s birth and possibly before her baptism. After 1833 Eliza went to live in London a short walking distance from where the above mentioned William lived.
I can't find a burial for Eliza TREAYS - an Eliza MOORE was buried on 23Mar1809 Walcot. Have you any info on the MOORE family?

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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Sunday 30 October 22 12:40 GMT (UK)  »
I have looked at the trease references for Bristol link below: -[url]http://www.trease.org.uk/trr/trr_ewe.htm#bat_rd/url]
William had two daughter by Elizabeth Moore - Jane bap Jan1805 bur Mar1805 and Eliza bap 1808.
The second daughter married William WEBB on 10thApr1831. I need to add this marriage to the references. Fairly sure this was Eliza d/o Elizabeth Moore as one witness to her marriage was Mary Ann MOORE.  I think I know who the father of  Eliza was. I just need to check and will get back to you - if I am right there could be a fascinating story there. FRAYS is such a common transcription error for TRAYS  that I always do an alternative search for the surname with an F as well as a T. Thank you ever so much for your information.  I think it unravels part of the family tree. We may be distant rellies!

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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Friday 24 June 22 15:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the info. I need to study it a bit more but I know for certain that I did not have the Roger Pomeroy/Wills Brixham marriage. Since this thread began I have added more information on Thomas Wyvell  to the trease website here
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txt/txw00.htm#10t_tw
I may post more after I've studied the information you sent more. If I find any further references to Pomeroy or other relevant families I'll add them to this thread. Many thanks, Bob

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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Wednesday 26 February 20 17:27 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Dan,

Again many thanks for the information. It all helps build up a picture of the lives of these distant relatives whose lives would otherwise be simply forgotten. The reason for Ann leaving her long employment with Grace makes sense - it must have been a stressful time for her but I feel that Grace would have treated her well - she must almost have become part of the family.

It is several years since I trawled through Ancestry and FindMyPast picking up all Devon references I could find to the TREASE surname and derivatives like TRAIES. The surname was often recorded and transcribed incorrectly so I searched for common errors but I failed to pick up Ann TRAIES marriage in the parish registers even though her name is correctly recorded in the central marriage register. At least we know it is a parish in the Crediton Registration District and it is the 1843/44 Winter period.

I’ll have another look to see if I can find it and I’ll also check the image of the John TRAIS/Mary Ann LANGLEY 1852 marriage as I may have copied the record incorrectly.

Regards,

Bob

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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Monday 24 February 20 16:49 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Dan,

Thank you very much for your kind words and the information which I’ve now included on the website. That confirms beyond any doubt the scenario of the two families of John Traies. Although not obvious from the family tree, John’s uncle William (m. Mary Hooper) was also a mason and father of William TRAIES a moderately well known artist of the time. Incidentally do you have the date of Ann's baptism? - she looks like one of the oldest of their family.

Once again, many thanks,

Bob

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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Monday 06 January 20 16:00 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Peter,

Thankyou very much for the two pieces of information. They proved to be the key that unlocked the identities of the numerous beneficiaries of Jane's Will. Please also accept my humble apologies for being so long in getting back to thank you. I've now updated my website
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txt/txt17w_mb.htm#jane_toser_1803
with several pages of information about the numerous beneficiaries. Jane seems to have been very methodical about her Will. One question you may be able to answer is - Do you know the parents of John JAKEMAN of St Thomas by Launceston who married 06Dec1756 at South Petherwin? Was it John JAKEMAN & Willmot RAWLINGS? - that echoes the marriage of Elizabeth FOSS nee COUCH to William RAWLING on 21Apr1756. I've found several deaths of John JACKMANS around 1735- 1737 in the area and can't work out which John has died. The Will of John JACKMAN of St Thomas by Launceston - probate 1737 may solve it for me.

Once again, many thanks.

Bob

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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Monday 08 October 18 12:35 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that. It opens up a new line of research, when I've time. William BODDY's will was proved on 7th Jan 1617 and is in the National Archives ref PROB 11/129/14.  Elias and Joan weren't happy about it and a court case ensued and is also in National Archives WILLS v SPRYE (C/327/68) - Elias and Joan WILLS v. Hugh SPRYE and others re Personal Estate of William BODY but documents not available on-line. I'll dig around a bit more and update that section of the website. If you find out any more please let me know and I'll do the same. I notice an Elizabeth BODY, wife of William, died on 04Apr1613, possibly an earlier wife of the same William possibly nee SPRY I guess. Once again many  thanks,

Bob

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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Tuesday 08 November 16 15:45 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Deb,

Samuel married Wilmot Bawden in 1749 and was the son of Samuel who married Elizabeth Creese in 1717.

William married Mary Bond in 1759 and was the son of John who married Sarah Pidlar in 1724.
His father John was the brother of Samuel who married Elizabeth Creese in 1717.

So the fathers Samuel and William were related as first cousins.

The James Thomas TRAIES appears on Free BMD:
b. TRAVIS James Thomas (Rochdale RD Jul-Aug-Sep 1850 V21 p740)
in which case his parents' marriage appears to be: -
m. John TRAVIS & Betty COCKROFT (Rochdale RD Oct-Nov-Dec 1842 V21 p466)
The baptismal entry was indexed TRAIES on Ancestry and I inspected the original handwritten entry. Most of the Manchester area entries indexed TRAIES  on Ancestry appeared to be TRAVIS on inspection but I thought this one was TRAIES - I am going to have to look at it again - it looks like another transcription error - in which case apologies for wasting time.

I’ll get back on this when I have investigated it more thoroughly.

Bob.

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Devon / Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« on: Monday 07 November 16 18:32 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Deb,

I think the 1762 baptism of John s/o William & Mary is correct. I can’t inspect the parish register images on-line any longer but believe I ticked the IGI transcript on my list when I found it on the register but did not bother with checking/correcting any spelling differences. I reckon he is the son of William and Mary BOND. John married Elizabeth KERSLAKE and the KERSLAKE family feature in a Codicil to the Will of William TRAIES m. Mary BOND & d.1812. Link : -

http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txb/txb17w_mb_will.htm

I think I had a “senior moment” when I sent my reply yesterday. Anyway, the son of William born 1724 St Luke was James not John. He appears on this link: -
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txt/txt17s_ec.htm

The other record to which I referred was : -
1850   c. 10Mar1850 Rochdale. James Thomas TRAIES s/o John & Betty TRAIES, Shoemaker  (ANC img)
I think he is related to the Crediton family but can’t see how at the moment,  maybe one of them went "up North" and disappears off the current trees.

There are two burials that I can’t fit into the Traies Crediton tree are : -
1781   i. 3Jun1781    Sarah TRAIES       (DCRS, FindMyPast img x 2)
1782   i. 29Dec1782    John TRAIES       (DCRS)
If they are husband and wife, maybe John is s/o Samuel & Elizabeth c. 1718 (who has no burial record associated with him) and the John who married Sarah Ellacott in 1754 (who similarly has no death record associated with her). The drawback is that William Traies’s 1770 will has the succession as William s/o Samuel and then Samuel s/o Samuel and makes no mention of John.  If John & Sarah had no surviving children and Sarah could produce no more children this may account for why William omitted him from the Will entirely. I have not listed this possibility on the website - can’t think why - might simply have overlooked it.

Kind regards,

Bob.


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