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Dorset / Re: Derby winning jockey of 1862 , on Caractacus
« on: Thursday 23 September 10 16:48 BST (UK) »
Hello Joanne.
And welcome to this meeting of 'Caractacus' jockey ancestors.
Its been 2 years since I did any research on this, and your email triggered a last check on the internet to determine if James Parsons - who is both of our ancestors (and Brians, on here) is actually the Derby Winner of fame.
I have two pieces of evidence to support this theory now.
1)The Times newspaper lists the jockey as J.Parsons
2)This link - has the Jockey written down officially as James Parsons
http://www.epsomdowns.co.uk/pdf/roll_of_honour.pdf
3) Brians comment to me : "As far as the James/John thing goes it is possible that, when he first joined the stables, there was already a James working there, so they called him John. A similar thing happened to me when I first started work." actually tallies with a fact I discovered from this link:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TAN18870319.2.42&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0-all
It says that the owner of the horse: Snewing's chief jockey was named James Goater, who turned down the offer to ride Caractacus on the Day.
So perhaps our James was named John at work...
The other bits of evidence all seem to point at James Parsons as the Derby winner, I think it would be less likely he wasnt, after all of this evidence.
As for our connection - yes - i see that your trace back to James' parents exactly tallies with what I have on my family tree list. So unfortunately i cannot add to your knowledge or you to mine on that count, but we are related at least
James Parsons younger brother William (brn 1850) is the father of of my Grandmother: Edith Parsons, whos Son was Ronald Gordon - my father.
I think that makes us 3rd Cousins Once removed !
Id love to get the details of James Parsons children to add to my family tree - i only really have our own line which came down from his brother William.
Stuart/
And welcome to this meeting of 'Caractacus' jockey ancestors.
Its been 2 years since I did any research on this, and your email triggered a last check on the internet to determine if James Parsons - who is both of our ancestors (and Brians, on here) is actually the Derby Winner of fame.
I have two pieces of evidence to support this theory now.
1)The Times newspaper lists the jockey as J.Parsons
2)This link - has the Jockey written down officially as James Parsons
http://www.epsomdowns.co.uk/pdf/roll_of_honour.pdf
3) Brians comment to me : "As far as the James/John thing goes it is possible that, when he first joined the stables, there was already a James working there, so they called him John. A similar thing happened to me when I first started work." actually tallies with a fact I discovered from this link:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TAN18870319.2.42&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0-all
It says that the owner of the horse: Snewing's chief jockey was named James Goater, who turned down the offer to ride Caractacus on the Day.
So perhaps our James was named John at work...
The other bits of evidence all seem to point at James Parsons as the Derby winner, I think it would be less likely he wasnt, after all of this evidence.
As for our connection - yes - i see that your trace back to James' parents exactly tallies with what I have on my family tree list. So unfortunately i cannot add to your knowledge or you to mine on that count, but we are related at least
James Parsons younger brother William (brn 1850) is the father of of my Grandmother: Edith Parsons, whos Son was Ronald Gordon - my father.
I think that makes us 3rd Cousins Once removed !
Id love to get the details of James Parsons children to add to my family tree - i only really have our own line which came down from his brother William.
Stuart/