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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Saturday 23 July 11 23:30 BST (UK)  »
Shorts,

As ever many thanks for your assistance, will see what we might come up with.

Kind regards,

Neil (Hereman)

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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Thursday 21 July 11 21:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mary,

I'm afraid though I've been researching family history since 1998, my knowledge of what's available 'on-line' for Irish records is almost non-existent.

UK mainland births, marriages and deaths, at least from 1837 onward are pretty well catered for with the 'Free BMD' site, indeed some counties now provide limited records also.

Again like you I've used the IGI a lot over the years, but it can be more to do with luck finding a likely 'suspect' rather than a definite 'relative'

To be honest before visiting this posting I'd made very little progress on the Irish side of our family and have much to thank you for starting it off and for 'Shorts' and others, most valuable input.

Sorry it's not much use I'm afraid.

Regards,

Neil

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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Tuesday 19 July 11 21:21 BST (UK)  »
Hi again!

I should have re-read all the posts and would have realised that it seems like Bridget's family stayed put in Ireland by the looks of it.

I also had a proper look at 'Jack's suggestion of checking out the Swanson line in Ireland on the Family.org site. A couple of interesting entries immediately hit the eye namely the birth of a John Swanson in Wexford in 1822 (died 1864 also in Wexford) A Bridget Swanson with a d.o.b. in 1817/death 1877 in Wexford, though of course she could have been a Swanson wife rather than a sibling.
There's also a James Swanson born in 1817 who died in 1879, this is the chap Laura suspects may be James' (1854) father. No place of birth for him but he died in Wexford.

My wife's ancestry is very much linked with Wexford, albeit in the case of both grandparents this followed their move to Liverpool. Her maternal G/grandfather was also from Co. Wexford- Matthew Hore (b1861 in Ballyfrory, Duncormick, Co.Wexford. Although he lived and worked in Liverpool many years he actually died while visiting Eniscorthy in 1960!! His wife, Ellen Redmond was born in Camolin, Wexford in 1866 and died in Liverpool in 1940.

They all started out in the (in)famous 'Scottie Road' district of Liverpool as did so many Irish families who settled there in this period.

Regards,

Neil (Hereman)

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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Tuesday 19 July 11 00:39 BST (UK)  »
Zakiemya10

Hello,

Having read your posts and having looked at the census records, I think I'm correct in saying that Bridget's father was Michael/William Swanson, that is Michael according to the 1901 record, living at 8, Furlong's Lane and as William in the 1911, now at number 5. His age suggesting a birth date about 1860(?) which does suggest he may well have been James' younger brother.

We do know that about 1886 when their daughter Mary Anne Swanson was born, James & Mary (Clear) lived in Temperance Row, Wexford and that James was a sailor.

As 'Shorts' has suggested the name Swanson was rare in Ireland, so the chances of two men with the same surname, of similar age living in the same town, not being related seems very unlikely.

I note that Michael/William is recorded as a 'quay labourer' in 1901 and though the transcription is unclear in 1911, I would suggest the entry suggests he was 'a fireman on a ship' in other words, a ship's stoker.

Coincidentally in the 1891 Census James is recorded as a 'dock labourer' in Liverpool, while in 1901 as 'an able seaman' and in 1910 (Son James' marriage certificate) as a 'mariner'.

Did William remain in Ireland after 1911 do you know?

Kind regards,

Neil

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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Sunday 17 July 11 20:50 BST (UK)  »
This is amazing, thank you so much for your help!! This the first time we had a confirmed date for the marriage of James and Mary, not to mention a baptism date for James (pictured below circa 1930)

I wonder do the parish records suggest father's names for James/Mary as we have no idea presently?

I assume it is possible to purchase marriage certificates from the relevant body in Eire in much the same way as here in the UK? Of course I assume that requires a reference number of some sort and again presume the certificate would be of similar format including bride and groom's father's name/occupation?

Once again we are so grateful for generous help.  Kind Regards, Neil

PS Here's James Jnr

PPS While searching UK census records I found that in 1881 a John Swanson ( also a sailor) Wife, Mary, both born about 1853 'in Ireland' (though no details) with a one year old daughter Margaret (b. Ireland) were lodging with a 'Kenney' family in Liverpool and wondered in view of the small number of Swansons in Ireland generally, if these may have been related also?

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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Sunday 17 July 11 18:00 BST (UK)  »
Thank you once again, as far as I can tell James Swanson/Mary Clear had eight children, five of whom were born Wexford, Elizabeth (1881) James (1884 my wife's grandfather) Mary Anne (1886, Laura's G.Grandmother) John Patrick and William as you have pointed out. William married Elizabeth Martin in Liverpool also in 1914 and together had 8 children by 1932. James and Mary had three more children in Liverpool, Sarah (1892) Patrick (b.1894-d.1895) and George (b.1897)

There are more Swansons in Liverpool about this time and I suspect they will also have Wexford links, if so I would assume they are part of the wider family, though as yet the reason for the move isn't clear.

Again many thanks for your assistance.

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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Sunday 17 July 11 01:08 BST (UK)  »
Dear 'Shorts'

Thank you so much for the update on John Patrick Swanson, with your help I've managed to confirm that John Patrick Swanson married Clara Marr (b.1892 in Liverpool, daughter of Edward Marr and Mary Murphy McConnell) They had three children, Margaret (1914) John James (1916-1932) and George (1918)
John Patrick died in Liverpool in June 1921 and Clara in June 1951

We are very grateful for your help, thank you,

Neil (aka 'Hereman')

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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Wednesday 06 July 11 23:11 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your help Jack. Kind regards, Neil

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Wexford / Re: Bride Street Wexford
« on: Wednesday 06 July 11 19:20 BST (UK)  »
I am delighted to report that at least some more of the Wexford Swanson descendants are alive and well, here on Merseyside today. As with Laura (with whom I am in contact) my wife is also descended from James Swanson, b.1854 in Wexford and his son also James, born in Wexford in 1884. They moved to Liverpool about 1890/92 based on the fact their son John was born in Wexford in 1888 and their next child, Sarah was born in Liverpool in 1892.

If only more Census records survived before the 1901 census, I feel sure we'd discover the Wexford Swansons were all part of the same family. As previously stated, the surname was uncommon in Ireland, while not so in Scotland where many families lived. Undoubtedly the name has Scandinavian origins which might not be surprising given the proximity of the Scottish 'highlands and islands' to Scandinavia and their common seafaring traditions.
Anyway, here's a photo of James Swanson (1854) taken in Liverpool about 1930, you never know, someone may see a family likeness(?) He'd have been about 76 in the photo, but lived until 1941 and the grand age of 87!!

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