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Lancashire / Re: Ancestors from Thurnham, between Glasson Dock and Cockerham.
« on: Friday 21 January 11 17:36 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks Pencan, and also to Tortiegirl for her post on the 14th.

I'm afraid I'm not really looking for more information on the Parkinsons though.  They are on my tree due to a male Parkinson "marrying in" to my family in 1880.   Since he isn't a blood relative I won't trace his ancestors.   I've got 3,500 people on the tree as it is, so if anything I'm looking to try and rationalise things a bit.

But I hope both of your respective researches go well.

Tim Wilding.


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Lancashire / Re: Ancestors from Thurnham, between Glasson Dock and Cockerham.
« on: Thursday 13 January 11 19:26 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Pencan,

Well the earliest Parkinson I have on my tree from this area is Peter who married Ann Wilding in 1880 in Christ Church Glasson.   I have him born around 1855 in Lancaster.

So, sadly, much too late I think for you.   

I think that Ann, like myself, is descendant of the Wildings from the Penwortham and Longton areas south of the Ribble.

Tim Wilding.

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Lancashire / Re: Ancestors from Thurnham, between Glasson Dock and Cockerham.
« on: Friday 17 December 10 19:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I've got seven people on my tree born in Thurnham, but they are all relatively recent - the earliest birth was 1881.   Surnames are all PARKINSON or WILDING.

Tim

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Lancashire / Re: Cross family in Lancashire
« on: Monday 08 November 10 15:08 GMT (UK)  »
I think it might be a lot of work doc!

I decided to do something similar.   When I began researching my tree I was very surprised how common my surname - Wilding - was in Lancashire, especially around Longton where my gggg grandfather lived.   I have a LFHHS fiche of burials from Longton St Andrew where Wilding is the most common surname.

And like you I wondered whether everyone was related, and so I jumped in and tried to build a tree of the Longton Wildings.

Four years later and with more than 3,000 people on my tree, I haven't finished yet, although I do now think that the end may now be in sight.   In your case, it will be more difficult because Cross is a much more common surname.   Even with my less common surname I've chosen to ignore "outlying" colonies of Wildings around Woodplumpton and around Standish.   Otherwise the work would become too much.   So I'd recommend putting some realistic limits on what you want to achieve.

As for how to approach the task, I've mainly worked with marriage and census info.    Full marriage info is vital because of the parent, occupation and address information.   The LAN-OPC website is invaluable for marriage info, and for parishes and periods it doesn't cover I simply did the transcription work myself at the Lancs Record Office using either their fiche and film, or the original church registers.   So for churches not covered by LAN-OPC I've now transcribed nearly all the Wilding marriages from all the churches in Preston and south to Leyland and Chorley.   

I do think that eventually I will have completed something that was worth doing, and it's great when different strands begin to connect up.   But I can't stress enough how much work it could be.

Good luck if you decide to go ahead.   BTW The Cross name features quite prominently on my own tree, but they're all around Longton and Leyland, rather than the area you mention.

Tim


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Lancashire / Re: Second opinions requested - Wilding marriage
« on: Tuesday 05 October 10 19:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dotty

Again, many thanks for doing that for me.   You are very kind.

But I still feel that I can't update my tree now that I've found these "unknown" Wildings living close to Ann's address at marriage, in 1881.   I'll begin investigations into them tomorrow.   Ideally they'll connect to my family, but it's rarely an ideal world with my surname.

Tim Wilding

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Lancashire / Re: Second opinions requested - Wilding marriage
« on: Tuesday 05 October 10 18:45 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for your opinions Dotty.

After sleeping on this problem, I had the bright idea of looking at who was living at Ann Wilding's address - 6 Mill St West - in 1881.   I should have thought of this yesterday.   It didn't help much but I did notice that there were Wildings at both No.2 and No.8 of the same street.   None of whom are on my tree, despite the fact that I do have several hundreds of them.

So I'm not going to do updates my tree until I can get to the LRO and start comparing signatures as I described earlier.  What I might do is start researching the families from No.2 and 8 Mill St West (which I think was in the Maudlands area, north of Preston station) though.

Tim Wilding

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Lancashire / Second opinions requested - Wilding marriage
« on: Monday 04 October 10 19:09 BST (UK)  »
I'm just hoping for second opinions on this.

I've always especially been interested in relatives who share my own surname, and I have an Ann Wilding, first cousin, three times removed who was born in Preston in 1859 but grew up in Penwortham.   I'm uncertain whether the details below from the wonderful LAN-OPC website are definitely her marriage, and don't want to update my tree if there's any doubt.

Marriage: 19 Sep 1882 St Mark, Preston, Lancashire, England
Thomas Atkinson - 26 Coachman Bachelor of Elm Villas Ashton on Ribble
Annie Wilding - 23 Spinster of 6 Mill Street West
    Groom's Father: William Atkinson, Yardsman
    Bride's Father: John Wilding, Farmer
    Witness: Henry Wilding; Margaret Atkinson, (X)
    Married by Superintendant Registers Certificate
    Register: Marriages 1866 - 1888, Page 140, Entry 280
    Source: LDS Film 1471020

Evidence in favour :-
Her father's name and profession is correct.
Her age is correct.
She was the eldest daughter in the family - Henry was the eldest son and could be the witness.
The other witness has the same surname as Ann's mother's maiden name.
I can't find another likely Ann Wilding on the 1881 census for this marriage.
She is no longer residing with her mother after the 1881 census and I don't see any likely death records.

Evidence against :-
Her father had died in 1877, but the marriage details from LAN-OPC don't mention that he was deceased.
Address seems odd, she was living in Cop Lane Penwortham in 1881.
I can't see her named as Annie (rather than Ann) elsewhere.

So this has created enough doubt for me not to update the tree. My next approach will be to compare witness Henry's signature as witness against his signature on his own marriage at Penwortham St Mary in 1884.  But I live more than 200 miles from Preston and only visit the LRO every six months or so.  And I only finished my last visit three weeks ago.

So if anyone has any ideas, please contribute.

Also is the "Married by Superintendant Registers Certificate" information significant?   

Tim Wilding







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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: sad !
« on: Monday 23 August 10 17:16 BST (UK)  »
I think I can add a bit more to this.   I'm a keen researcher of my own surname and I believe that the Margaret Wilding mentioned in this thread is a first cousin, four times removed.

Garstonite is right about another marriage complicating things.   Richard Whittle married Ellen Wilding on 6 Feb 1837 at Preston St John.   Being early in 1837 this marriage doesn't appear on LancsBMD.   Ellen is not a relation of mine AFAIAA, but using LancsBMD and census returns I believe the marriage produced at least the following children :-

Jane b 1840
William b 1843
William b 1845
Richard b 1847
William b 1850
Ellen b 1852

The first two Williams died early, but the others survived infancy.

I think that Robert and Margaret had a total of 11 children, so the original poster's concern about the parents might be alleviated somewhat.   The ones who survived childhood and who are therefore not mentioned on the MI are

David b 1852
John b 1854
Mary Elizabeth b 1856
Richard b 1861
Ann b 1869

But there are still some loose ends that I can't explain :-

1)  The baptism record on IGI (which is extracted, not submitted) states that Mary Elizabeth Whittle died in 1858.   Census returns suggest that this wasn't the case, and there are no matching death records on LancsBMD or FreeBMD.

2)  There are two William Whittles with a mother's maiden name of Wilding in 1850.   I can only explain one of them.   Registered twice ?

3)  IGI shows a Joseph Whittle baptised in 1861, son of Robert Whittle and Margaret.   Was this a re-baptism of the 1859 child, who survived until the age of 15?

AND FINALLY,  I'd love to see the full detail of the MI mentioned by the original poster.   If he/she or anyone else has this could they please let me know.

Tim Wilding





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Lancashire / Re: Please can anyone throw any light on the following enigma.
« on: Friday 21 May 10 10:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello isiwig,

I don't have any connection, but I thought this was interesting and took a look.  I began by looking at the crossed out names that you mention from the 1911 census - Albert and Arthur.  I think that both of these married in the preceding decade.  Albert Edward married Martha Alice Leeming in 1904 at All Saints church, Habergham Eaves, and - as you point out - the family resided in Giles St, Padiham in 1911.  I *think* Arthur married Ada Wilkinson at Padiham St Leonard in 1903 with the family living in Lawrence St, Padiham in 1911.

So I think both children married with the Waddington name and also used it on the 1911 census.

So I think the next step would be to look at the marriage details for Albert in particular, and see who he names as his father.  The marriage registers for All Saints are held at the Lancs Record Office in Preston, so if you live near there you could take a look and avoid the certificate fee.  I live too far away to be able to help here.

The other interesting thing I noticed is that Sarah is described in 1891 as married, rather than as a widow.  There could be various explanations for this, desertion being one, and raising the possibility of the father of the earlier children not being Richard McCartney.

Anyway, I hope this helps, I'd be interested to know how you get on.

Tim W

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