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Hi Lizzie

I found something interesting at this link;

http://www.theoriginalrecord.com/database/search/decade/187

The regiment makes 3 appearances in the listing, the first of which reads as follows;

"Outstanding soldiers of the 83rd regiment of Foot (1860-1870)

The 83rd Regiment of Foot embarked for Bombay in January 1849, and took part in the suppression of the Indian Mutiny, adding "Central India" to the regimental colours. It returned to England in 1862: the regimental depot was at Chichester. In 1866 the regiment was sent to Ireland, in 1867 to Gibraltar, and in 1870 back to India. Each year just a handful of outstanding soldiers of the regiment were chosen for good conduct medals and gratuities: these are listed here. There were two lists, one for men recommended for the Good Conduct Medal without a gratuity, and one for gratuities - £5 to a private, £10 to a corporal, and £15 to a serjeant. Both lists are indexed here, and each gives rank, name, regimental number, date of recommendation and date of issue. (The sample scan is from the 105th foot)"

This suggests that he may have been posted to India at the time of the 1871 census and may have also have died there?  Also, it seems possible that Hannah may have accompanied him on the earlier postings, returning home to give birth.

I clicked on the link below that entry and did a surname search and came up with one Butler in the lists in the period 1865 - 1872.  I'll leave you to decide whether it's worth £8 to send for a copy of the image on the off-chance that it's Thomas.  I suspect that Butler was probably quite a common surname in the regiment's normal catchment area though (searching the 1871 UK census for him on Ancestry I found Thomas Butlers born in Waterford and Down among the 95 listed).

Ian

Hi Graham

Have you seen this link:  http://home.comcast.net/~adhopkins/nh-birth.txt    ? There are references to the births in Wellingborough of Sarah, Ann and Lot Garner, 1707, 1709 and 1710 respectively, to parents Lot and Ann Garner.

I  can think of a couple of possible explanations;

a) given the number of Garners shown at Northampton on the link above, your Lot was possibly a member of Northampton Meeting, perhaps returning to Wellingborough to be closer to immediate family towards the end of his life.

b) that Lot chose not to follow his parent's membership of the Quakers (of any other denomination) and was buried there because of the family's connection.

I will contact the Meeting House to find out if they retain any records of that age on site and if I can get to see them but I would think it unlikely that it would clear this up with any certainty.

Hope this helps

Ian

Ian

Hi Keith

I've determined that Rose Hill Cottage is a sizable property, now flats, in London Road near to a solicitors.  This link has it grade II listed from 1970 when it was already converted to its current use:    http://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-233778-rose-hill-flats-1-2-and-3-10-wellingboro

There is nothing on the building to show that it is / was called Rose Hill but the 1899 OS map has it clearly marked as that.

You can probably get as much as you need from Google Maps / Street View but I've put a few of their images together which might help to give some context in addition to the ones I've already attached so if it's any help PM me I'll mail them to you.

Unfortunately there is a possible alternative as I notice that the 1851 Census also shows a William Dulley (born Kimbolton, Hunts [or Kimbolton, Hungary if you believe Ancestry's transcription  ]), brewer and employer, in Sheep Street - next door to an Innkeeper / farmer.  This has to be the Golden Lion which was originally built as a farmhouse and converted to the pub that it still is in the C19th.  This puts William in "Rose Cottage" (also a listed building and currently home to a firm of solicitors).  Assuming that your aged David Dulley had retired from the brewing business and that William had taken over:  the original Castle Lane entrance to Dulley's Brewery / Baths (which is now the unused back entrance to the Museum - see picture) neatly bisects the 150 or so yards between "Rose Hill" and "Rose Cottage".

The London Road address looks pretty certain though as the alley down the side of that building terminates in a gated wall which has a "Rose Hill" sign attached together with a no parking sign pointing to the flat entrance to the rear (ahem.. I took a photo of that as well but I haven't figured out my new camera and the shot out of the dark alley whited the sign out so it looked completely blank - I'll try again if it's of any interest).

Finally, I tried to figure out where in the High Street David may have been living, but the disappearance of all the yards referred to in the census together with the enumerator's refusal to provide any useful information like pub names (of which there were plenty) means I can't even be sure which side of the road I should be looking at.

Hope this helps

Ian

On my one venture to the nearest relevant county Records Office (all of 10 miles away) I managed to go back to a birth circa 1722.

Haven't got round to a second visit though as I don't feel much incentive to put that kind of leg-work in when all I end up with is a list of people about whom I know no more than that they were born, married, procreated and died. 

All the indications are that I am descended from a group of families who have studiously avoided acquiring property or money or exercising any kind of influence whatsoever.

I am well on my way to continuing that proud tradition!