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Cheshire / Re: Celia's Rake Lane + burial.look up
« on: Thursday 14 June 07 20:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi Celia,

I've just heard from my mum today.  She spent some time in Earlston Road library looking through their records with no success, then someone suggested she contact Landican Cemetery.  They've come back to her today with a Fred Woodburn who was married to a Mary and who died in 1929.  So it looks like at long last we've found them.  They are buried in Rake Lane Cemetery (she's been given the plot number etc) and one reason for the difficulties in finding them is that they turn out to have been non-Conformists rather than Church of England.

I've also heard from my South African cousin who emailed to say that he was going to be setting out for his visit to this country in the next few days, so the information from Landican couldn't have been better timed.  Hopefully he should be able to see the headstone of Frederick and Mary (assuming that it wasn't one of the ones that was vandalised last year).

Thanks for all your efforts with the look-up, especially given the relatively small amount of information you had to go on.   :)

Chris

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Cheshire / Re: Celia's Rake Lane + burial.look up
« on: Sunday 06 May 07 18:00 BST (UK)  »
Hello Celia,

It's an interesting thought about whether Frederick would have been a Woodburn or an Atkinson.  What I do know is that he appeared in every census from 1861 onwards as a Woodburn and was named in the CWGM details for Frederick Winstanley Woodburn as Woodburn.  All of his male descendents have been Woodburns as well.  So, looking for Atkinsons is probably a non-starter.  :(

I've heard back from South Africa today.  My cousin says that he's hit a brick wall when it comes to finding the date of death for Frederick and Mary.  He says that the only thing he's been able to find is that it was post WW1 and that this is from the CWGM entry for Frederick Winstanley Woodburn which has under additional details

'Son of Frederick and Mary Woodburn, of 14, Rappart Road, Seacombe, Wallasey, Cheshire'

But looking at this again, I wonder whether it could equally be read as two separate facts - ie.  He was the son of Frederick and Mary, and he (but not necessarily his parents) lived at 14 Rappart Road.  In which case, everything concerning Frederick and Mary post 1901 - address, date of death, place of death becomes an unknown.  They may even have been dead before 1918.  Oh dear... I think I might have to do some more digging around, but at the moment it's looking like they might have dropped off the radar.  It's a pain the the death records for Cheshire aren't online beyond 1900.  I'm going to see whether I can get anywhere finding out whether either of them were witnesses at their children's weddings post 1901.  In the meantime, you're probably best to hold fire on any searches for me, and I'll come back to you with any useful information that may kick-start the look up again.  Thanks for your hard work so far.

Best wishes
Chris


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Cheshire / Re: Celia's Rake Lane + burial.look up
« on: Tuesday 01 May 07 00:31 BST (UK)  »
Wow!  :D

Thank you for all this hard work you're putting in.  I can shed some light on Frederick's "adoption".  Frederick has his mother's maiden name, but his first appearance in 1861 is after his mother's marriage to Benson Atkinson.  My cousin has a copy of Frederick's birth certificate and apparently Benson was Frederick's father.

The Woodburns at 14 Rappart Road are the one's we're interested in.  I wonder whether the Frederick Woodburn listed in Gores might be Frederick Winstanley Woodburn (Frederick Jr, aged 20), given that by 1912 Frederick senior would have been nearly 60 years old.  Possibly Frederick Winstanley Woodburn was keeping his parents?  By the time Frederick jr died in Belgium in 1918, his father would have been 62.  If his son had been paying the rent, then possibly Frederick and Mary might have had to find somewhere else to live fairly soon afterwards.  I do hope they haven't disappeared on us.
I've emailed my cousin again today to see if he can provide any further information, and I'll let you know whether he comes back with anything new.

All the best
Chris

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Cheshire / Re: Celia's Rake Lane + burial.look up
« on: Sunday 29 April 07 19:41 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for agreeing to try for me.   :)

As far as I'm aware the three names you listed aren't direct relations to Frederick Woodburn.  I think out of his family he was the only one who made the journey down from Cumbria to the Wirral (although it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that he chose the area because there were already distant cousins living there).

Here's a link to my South African cousins research http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=354819&id=I15, which contains more detail on Frederick and Mary's children than I have, as I've just concentrated on Frank, who was my grandfather.  Perhaps there's a nugget of information in there that might be of use to you.

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Cheshire / Re: Celia's Rake Lane + burial.look up
« on: Saturday 28 April 07 23:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi Celia - wonder if you can help.

I've been tracing my ancestry recently, and through my research into my dad's line (Woodburn) have made contact with a cousin in South Africa.  I've put him in touch with my mum who still lives in Wallasey, and he has recently written to her to say he will be in the country in June/July of this year.  He intends to try to further his research while here and has asked her if she could try to find the graves of his and my common ancestors, Frederick Woodburn and his wife Mary.

Unfortunately, as far as I know he has been unable to find their years of death, and I haven't had any joy with online searches.  What we do know is listed below.

Frederick Woodburn
Born:  1856 in Cockermouth
Married:  1886 in St Nicholas Church, Liverpool

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Mary Winstanley
Born:  1863 in Chester

They had nine children and were still alive in 1918, and living in Rappart Road, Seacombe, when one of their sons, Frederick Winstanley Woodburn died in WW1.  They will have been CofE (given the church where they married).

I am convinced that years ago I was cutting through Wallasey Cemetery to Earlston Library when I chanced upon a headstone with the name Frederick Woodburn on it, and my South African cousin seems convinced that they would be there too.  My mum is in her 80's and tends to worry about letting people down, and I live on the opposite side of the country now, so am really limited to online searches.

I do hope you can help with this.  Thanks for any time you can find for any look-ups.   :)

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