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Dublin / Re: Charles SMYTH, Artist and Picture Dealer
« on: Friday 09 November 12 11:45 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Shane, yes it is the end of a road rather than a brick wall, looks like I will have to find another road to travel down  :)

Your help, advice and suggestions over the past months have been greatly appreciated.

Best wishes

John

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Dublin / Re: Charles SMYTH, Artist and Picture Dealer
« on: Wednesday 07 November 12 19:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Shane,

Expecting to find records this far back was always going to be a long shot I know.  Looks like I may have hit the wall, as from the records I have, the family where Roman Catholic. Certainly Laurence's son Solomon and grandson Solomon Peter were anyway. Ho hum.  ???

Not quite sure where to go from here, burial records, if available? maybe they would indicate next of kin?

Just wish I knew who my elusive Charles had married, would be a great help, ah well, such is life!

You have been a great help in my search, thank you

John

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Dublin / Re: Charles SMYTH, Artist and Picture Dealer
« on: Friday 02 November 12 09:52 GMT (UK)  »
UPDATE

At long last, due to several problems, I have received the pedigree of the SMYTH family of Ballybay from NLI.

I now know the name of Solomon SMYTH snrs father; it is Laurence.

Laurence SMYTH of Derryhalla and Drumroosk, Ballybay, Co Monaghan. spouse was Brigid AGNEW

No dates on the pedigree record.  I do though have dates for the death of his son Solomon and his wife Margaret. They are respectively 20th January 1850 and 24th January 1883. Perhaps a burial record or headstone inscription may give more information? (if either exist of course!)

I am now looking for more of Laurence and Brigids children, the hope being that one of them is my elusive Charles

Cheers

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Lincolnshire Resources & Offers / Offer of help in Louth
« on: Wednesday 15 August 12 12:46 BST (UK)  »
I hope I am posting this in the corect area, I am sure it will be pointed out if I am not!

I live in Louth and in a roundabout way for all the help I have recieved, I am offering my services for people who would like photos taken of Churches, headstones, landmarks etc in the local area.  Or for any other assistance I may be able to offer.

Please bear in mind I am not from Louth, I am not a font of local knowledge! also I am not researching any families from this area myself. Other than that I will help as I can

John

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Dublin / Re: Charles SMYTH, Artist and Picture Dealer
« on: Friday 10 August 12 09:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shane,

Yes, the occupations are from two seperate sources, they are both from his marriage certificates.
Frederick married twice. 1st in 1882, Charles described as Artist. Following his wifes death in childbirth he remarried in 1899, this time Charles was described as Picture Dealer. Both marriages took place in Liverpool.

 I am presuming Charles was alive at this latter point as on other wedding certificates I have if a father was deceased it stated such, although I know that this may not always be the case.

Cheers

John

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Dublin / Re: Charles SMYTH, Artist and Picture Dealer
« on: Wednesday 08 August 12 16:48 BST (UK)  »
Had a good look at the PPV site and also through Ancestry, interesting but I think this may be a blind lead.  Charles F (Ferdinand) b 1811 was married in London and appears on the 1861 census with his wife and children. No mention of a Frederick and as he was born in 1859 I cant imagine him at the age of two, not being with his parents, although stranger things have happened.

I will now put this line of enquiry on the back burner and wait for my man at the NLI to return from his holidays and send me the documents I have requested. The frustrations of genealogy!

Thanks again

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Dublin / Re: Charles SMYTH, Artist and Picture Dealer
« on: Wednesday 08 August 12 11:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again for the interesting information, certainly giving me some possible leads, all looking very interesting and dare I say promising!

As I have mentioned before, there is a family connection to the DILLON family, so this new information is very exciting, especially the Exhibition and Photograph Gallery bit.  Althought the link http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/997#tab_works  does not take me to anything with DILLON.

Will take a look at the findmypast PPV website when I get home, boss frowns on me doing genealogical research in work, cant think why  ;D

I appreciate very much the efforts you have all made, hugely impresssed with not only the knowledge but the speed and friendliness shown

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Dublin / Re: Charles SMYTH, Artist and Picture Dealer
« on: Tuesday 07 August 12 15:53 BST (UK)  »
I have contacted the National Library, unfortunately the gent dealing with copies is on holiday for two weeks, so a little wait is in order!

Meanwhile I have another possible line to investigate and I wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction.  In Shaws 1850 there is a Charles F smyth esq and a Robert Smyth & Sons, all residing at & Stephens Green. Robert is listed as a Greengrocer.  I have not had any joy in locating an online directory later than 1850, am I looking in the wrong places or is there not one.

My very tenuous line of thought is this; My ggf was Frederick, his father was Charles. Could the Charles F be Charles Frederick? Secondly, Fredericks youngest son was named Robert. All very tenuous I know, but hey, sometimes these hunches pay of!

I am looking for a later record of this address, or of details of any of the occupants. I would have thought that finding Charles F would be relatively easy, no pun intended, but so far nothing.

As I know little of Dublin, could someone tell me what parish Stephens Green is in and the nearest churches to this address, maybe if I look through those church records I will find clarification.

Many thanks again for all your wonderful help and advice.

John

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Dublin / Re: Charles SMYTH, Artist and Picture Dealer
« on: Saturday 04 August 12 08:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi Tara,

Thanks again for your time and input.  Yes, as I could not make the link any other way I decided to work backwards from the Smyth-Dillon marriage between Patrick and Ann. I used Burkes Peerage as the starting point. No I have not got the cert for Solomon and Bridget, the fathers name came from a posting I made and someone kindly checked the parish registers for me.

I should explain that virtually all of my genealogical work was destroyed by a very venegeful ex partner, I came home to find that my PC, backup HD and all files, had been thrown from the first floor window, in the rain. Not good. So I have very little in the way of paper records etc. Thankfully I had the GEDCOM file uploaded to several sites. Sadly I lost the majority of my contacts names etc and their emails. Ho hum.

Wow, the link you sent looks VERY promising!!  I have tried searching for Laurence, given his uncommon christian name I thought it would be simple, but as yet no joy. I will continue though.

Now all I need to do is get hold of this manuscript, will have a look later and see what the otions are for ordering/viewing etc

Many thanks


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