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Aberdeenshire / Re: CATTO family of New Deer, Aberdeenshire
« on: Tuesday 26 April 16 05:29 BST (UK)  »
Rosinish - such wise words and I was hoping there may be a paper trail, but probably not. I did not realise that the name of Catto was such a common name over there. Perhaps way back before a paper trail they may have been kin but nothing tangible.

Have checked my local telephone book here in NZ and not a single Catto -  just the usual Smith, Jones and Brown,

Robin - aka King William

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Aberdeenshire / CATTO family of New Deer, Aberdeenshire
« on: Sunday 24 April 16 23:41 BST (UK)  »
I have helped a friend with her family history but there are still a couple of gaps.

She has a Barbara Jane Catto who married Thomas Fowlie on 3rd December 1857 in New Deer, Aberdeenshire.

Barbara was a daughter of Thomas Catto and Barbara Baxter who married on 15th February 1829 - possibly also in New Deer or surrounding area.

Just browsing the internet I came across a Lord Catto of Peterhead so followed the origins and discovered a family industrial group including Thomas Catto who was elevated to the peerage in 1936 as Lord Catto of Cairncatto.

This family descend from ancestor William Catto - a merchant of Peterhead in the 1680's.

As Catto is a fairly uncommon name, is there any chance that my friend's Thomas Catto is also descended from this William Catto of Peterhead and is therefore a distant relative of the current industrial family.

Being in New Zealand it would be quite exciting for her to be linked, even if only slightly, to one of the great families of Aberdeenshire.


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Northumberland / Re: NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE - was it ever Scottish?
« on: Saturday 23 April 16 21:14 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to you all, it wasn't a problem with her history, just a query - but all sorted now thanks!

Robin - King William

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Northumberland / NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE - was it ever Scottish?
« on: Saturday 23 April 16 02:38 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone please tell me if Newcastle-upon-Tyne was ever a Scottish city. I have helped my friend with her family history and have checked that the city was never in Scottish hands.

I know that the borders did change over time but believe that it was always firmly in England. However she was told by an old timer from the area - a Geordie -  that he was born in Newcastle-upon-Tyne when it was a Scottish city as the borders were different back then, but it is now an English city.

I think it has always been English. As for the village of Kirknewton in Northumberland has that ever belonged to Scotland or has it always been English. It must be fairly close to the border.

Who is correct?
Robin - aka King William

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Rice DAVIES/Rhys ap LEWYS - lawyer - died 1638
« on: Saturday 09 April 16 02:34 BST (UK)  »
A while ago someone sent me the message below and for some reason I remember that the rest of the message suggested that these lads named Carew and Richard were the sons of a lady named Judith. I also don't know when these people had this messuage in the Stalls so a date would be handy.

".....her sons Carew and Richard had a messuage named Flower Swan in the parish of Stalls, I think that is in Bath, but not sure."

Can anyone please fill in the gaps for me?
Robin aka King William


St Mary of the Stall was an early parish church in Bath, but fell out of use some time in the early 17th century. The building does not survive, apart from a bit of the crypt in the cellar of a more recent house, but it was in Stall Street which does still exist, near the Abbey. No registers survive, except for a few BTs from 1605-6.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Rice DAVIES/Rhys ap LEWYS - lawyer - died 1638
« on: Tuesday 05 April 16 06:14 BST (UK)  »
Roger/Despair - many thanks for the replies to my questions, so difficult with the patronomic naming of the Welsh - okay if they stayed in Wales but to go to England and Anglicise their names makes it difficult.
Your help much appreciated
Robin aka King William

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Carmarthenshire / Rice DAVIES/Rhys ap LEWYS - lawyer - died 1638
« on: Saturday 02 April 16 23:31 BST (UK)  »
I am interested in Rice Davies aka Rhys Davis/Rhys ap Lewys. He was a lawyer of Carmarthen and was the son of Lewys ap Dafydd and Margred Scarff. Rice died in Tickenham in Somerset in 1638 and I have accessed his will from the Portbury Hundreds.
I used to be able to access some site called (I think) Histfam which showed his ancestry back to James Scarff and Judith Verney of the Isle of Man.
I am interested in his history back to Alice Bushe as she is on my line and was an auntie or great aunt of his. Alice was the daughter of Walter Bushe and Maude Horton of Rowley, England and married a Philips who was of the Rice Davis line. The paternal grandfather of Rice was Philip Scarff so possibly where the name of Philips comes in.
The 3rd wife of Rice was Mary Pitt of the Gloucestershire area and the Pitt family married into my Gunning family of the Bristol area.
This Rice Davis pops up around my family history and I would just like to be able to fit him into the picture as there are still some wives on the Bush line who have not yet been identified and he may be pivotal somehow. Knowledge of him could be handy and I thank anyone who can help from your end of things. I am in New Zealand and cannot drop into any history centre to look at records.
King William

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Somerset / Rice DAVIES - died 1638 - in Tickenham
« on: Saturday 02 April 16 23:15 BST (UK)  »
I used to be able to find much more history but now I have a new computer and I believe I am now on Google Chrome, I cannot access so much as before. I google names and they don't come up as before.
I am interested in lawyer Rice Davies who died in Tickenham in 1638. I have a copy of his will from the Portbury Hundreds. His 3rd wife was Mary Pitt and the Pitt family married into my Gunning family of the Bristol area.
He is also known as Rhys Davis or Rhys ap Lewis. He was a son of Lewys ap Dafydd and Margred Scarff who were, I believe, of Carmarthen.
My name of interest is the surname of Bush and I know Alice Bushe became Alice Philips when she married into this family - the paternal grandfather of Rice was Philip Scarff (alias Moore for some reason)
Alice was the daughter of Walter Bushe and Maude Horton of Rowley and they are definitely on my line.
I used to be able to access a site which I believe was called Histfam which showed the history going back from Rice to Alice, she was an aunt or great-aunt.
Rice Davies/Rhys Davis/Rhys ap Lewys could be linked to my family and just some knowledge of him could be an advantage.
I used to be able to read an article about him which said that he was a lawyer from Carmarthen who somehow wound up in Tickenham, Somerset.
I am in New Zealand so unable to get to history offices in Somerset or Carmarthenshire and just some more knowledge of the man could be of interest to me and also how he links up to Alice Bushe.
I will also post this on the Carmarthenshire site.
King William

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Inverness / Re: THOMAS EDMUND KING born 1841 INVERNESS OR ST. PANCRAS
« on: Wednesday 30 July 14 05:45 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to every one who replied - it appears that Thomas was born in London. Weston Place, the street they lived in has always puzzled me as the name of Weston seems to have been around the family before. The maternal g-g-g-grandparents of Thomas were George and Susannah Bush of Hanham, near Bitton. On the deeds of their property, even before George was born, is an entry which I don't understand but it contains the name of Weston -
"Exemplification of a Recovery suffered in Hilary Term 11 Chas 1 (1636) of lands in Bitton, Hanham, Oldland and Kingswood. Chirograph of a Fine levied in Michaelmas Term Chas 1 (1634) between Robert Kitchen plaintiff and Edmund Weston defociants."
This is Double-Dutch to me, legalese from the 17th century!
Can anyone make that easier to understand. My dictionary did not have any meaning for "defociant."
That is one Weston from 200 years before Thomas was born, and there was another. Five generations before George and Susannah, Paul Bushe (brother of direct ancestor John Bushe) was the first Bishop of Bristol and was well-known to King Henry V111, I believe he was a personal chaplain to the king. There was an earlier Edmund Weston in the court of the king.
So it seems that the Weston name is around the family and there they are living in Weston Court. I know one of the Bush men had a wife named Julia Weston and a mother-in-law named Elizabeth Weston.
Many thanks -I do like the bagpipes but it appears that Inverness in Scotland does not have any significance to my English ancestors.
Robin

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