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New Zealand Completed Requests / Father of Illegitimate Line
« on: Friday 17 January 25 02:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all
Do any NZ records exist where the mother of an illegitimate child would be seeking maintenance  from the father through legal channels?  My paternal grandfather was born Hastings 10 Jan 1908 (conceived May 1907).  Mother was Charlotte (Lottie) Elizabeth Kelly, born 1884 Holloway, Mdx, Eng.  Thanks to DNA I know the Scottish family the father came from but not who he was.  This was a large family named Cameron who emigrated to Victoria in 1853 and the father could have been a son or grandson of this couple. 

I can confirm that Lottie's mother and second husband were living Wellington in 1910 (previously living Sydney).    I have identified a potential father (Goode) who arrived into Wellington mid March 1907 with his new wife and returned to Victoria late 1908.  There is evidence that Charlotte may have been a ship stewardess 1907 (vessels Maheno & Monowai) which is how they may have met.  However, another branch of the family (MacDonald) were in Bluff, then Lyttleton & Dunedin around this time as well.  Bluff was a stop over for these vessels.

So far DNA hasn't helped to isolate the branch so I was wondering if Charlotte may have sought some sort of court injunction for maintenance support from the father.  Can anyone offer any advice on this please?
Regards
Chris

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Kerry / Re: Sullivan Blu(e)man of Kilgarvan
« on: Friday 19 May 23 02:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi there
My apologies for the delay replying.  I live in southern NSW, Oz so there is a bit of a time delay involved I’m afraid.

To be honest I hadn’t compared the baptism records to the civil records, so thank you for this information.  I was more focussed on the why.  If they used Blueman in the baptismal records only, does that support the nickname theory? Therefore, would that also support the AI suggestion that Blueman was an occupational name for someone in charge of or who worked at the lead mine?   I did notice a Blueman Hegarty as one of the baptism sponsors though. 

Then again does Blueman link back to one of the very early Irish families lost in time?  I receive weekly emails from Mike Collins who hosts A Letter from Ireland.  It might be worth an email to him enquiring about the origins of the name, as he appears very knowledgeable with regards to the surnames of Ireland.

I intend to post a separate enquiry re the mines at Kilgarvan.  I was surprised when I read about these as I thought Kilgarvan was a purely a farming community.
Regards
Chris

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: SULLIVAN - Sacramental Records St Patrick's Cathedral, Auckland
« on: Sunday 30 April 23 11:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lucy
I can’t thank you enough for all of your help.  Very much appreciated.
All the best
Chris

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: SULLIVAN - Sacramental Records St Patrick's Cathedral, Auckland
« on: Sunday 30 April 23 09:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi again
Yes I haven’t heard back from the Archivist at St Patricks Cathedral, although I only sent the email yesterday.
Chris

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Armed Forces / Re: William Aldworth Clarke, Waterloo
« on: Saturday 12 October 13 22:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ken & Shaun
Thank you both for replying to my post on WAC at Waterloo.  Both responses have been very helpful.  I do have two further questions which  you may be able to answer:
1.  What determined which Regiment an Officer (Ensign in WAC's case) joined?  Was it purely vacancy or was it something like family tradition. 
2.  At what age could a young man join the Army?
Regards
Chris

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Armed Forces / William Aldworth Clarke, Waterloo
« on: Friday 11 October 13 11:02 BST (UK)  »
I have an interesting and very confusing brick wall to break through:

1.  Anecdotal evidence from early diaries held in Melbourne, Victoria, Aust indicates that Ensign William Aldworth Clarke (WAC) served under Wellington as a Jnr Aide de Camp at the Battle of Waterloo, and indeed I have located a William Clarke from the 4th Regiment of Foot who was an Ensign with Wellington at Waterloo.  However, in all military records that I have been able to source, WAC was repeatedly shown as being an Ensign of the 40th Regiment of Foot, both before and after Waterloo.  In fact, the 40th Regiment were not even in Brussels on the night of the Ball.

2. The Diaries allude to WAC being present at the Duchess of Richmond's Ball on the night news came of Napoleon's imminent invasion and this is highly likely if he were with Wellington's staff that evening.  So how can someone who was with the 40th Regiment be suddenly assigned to the 4th?  Was this possible? 

3. The family whom I believe WAC is descended from were from Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland.  A list of the "Freemen of Cork" actually shows both a Lt William Clarke, 4th Regiment and William Clarke, Ensign 40th Regiment "for his gallant conduct in the Battle of Waterloo" (he lost his left arm to canon shot) as being Freemen of Cork.   Neither entries are dated.  So it would seem that they were 2 separate people.

4.  A book printed in 1976 with references to the Clarke family of Cork, mentions William Clarke, Capt 4th Regiment who emigrated to NSW and married a Miss Manning in 1835.  However, WAC died in 1827 as a retired Lt. Garner.  Again, it would seem that they were two different men.

5.  However, indications are that William [Henry] Clarke, 4th Regiment was quite likely born around 1802-1803, making him ridiculously young (12-13 years old) to have been a Jnr Aide de Camp of Wellington at Waterloo.  WAC was born in 1792, making him 23 at Waterloo. 

Has anyone have any suggestions as to how I could unravel this mystery.  PLEASE...
Regards
Chris

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Family History Beginners Board / Sarah Chevalier bn 1815 - Huguenot Parentage
« on: Tuesday 20 July 10 11:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi
I wouldn't say I am exactly a beginner but I feel that I have achieved little in the past 20 years in my efforts to locate my ancestor Sarah Chevalier bn 1814/1815 and was wondering if someone could advise me on where to look next for her birth. 

Factual evidence confirms Sarah was born 1814-1815.  The only confirmed paper trail I can find of Sarah was when she had an illegitimate son named William Dowling Chevalier in March 1839 at Queen Charlotte's Lying In Hospital, St Marylebone.  His baptism was recorded at Dulwich College 3 months later, where Sarah appears to have been living with a family named Kateley who also raised William.  According to hospital records, Sarah was living at 4 Charlotte's Court, Redcross St, St Giles Cripplegate prior to her son's birth.  The only appropriate Sarah on the 1841 census was a servant at Cumming Place, St James, Clerkenwell but she was not born in the county.

The anectodal evidence indicates that Sarah was the daughter of a Huguenot family (possibly weavers but not confirmed).  In later years, her son William would tell his children stories of how Sarah's mother was brought up in the French countryside.  This would put her mother's birth probably around 1780 (or slightly later).    So it is possible that her mother came into England post Revolution, but prior to the Napoleonic Wars.  William also spoke French very well.

I cannot locate any other reference to this particular Sarah and have discounted all other Sarah Chevaliers found in conventional records.  Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Regards
Chris

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Census and Resource Discussion / Huguenot Ancestry St Marylebone
« on: Sunday 08 August 04 01:37 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone with Huguenot ancestry help with this one please.

I have confirmed Huguenot ancestry in St Marylebone (William Dowling Chevalier born 19 March 1839 St Charlotte's Lying In Hospital, St Marylebone but bpt 9 June 1839, Dulwich college, Highgate; mother Sarah Chevalier, confirmed illegit.).

Biog from descendant confirms links with mother Sarah as child, so not given up to foundling home.  As adult lived St Marylebone.

One possible contender for Sarah but need proof.  1841/1851 census option but don't know where to start looking.   No subsequent marriage located to date.

Chris

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